Marc Maron

Well, I think what you were talking about, about, about cynicism and disengagement is now there's a level of fear that is, is real.

Right.

Totally.

So, you know, what happens, you know, in terms of what we're talking about, all the things that we're,

that you lived through and we lived through, whether we were kids or not, the progress that was made, civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, you know, things, policies that were meant to make an attempt at sort of

expanding democratic ideas.

And you always had this core group of the other side that have been trying to dismantle this from, you know, since the New Deal.

But now, you know, and look, the left and people like me, you know, you throw around the words, you know, fascism in relation to authority.

just willy nilly.

Right.

And you, you talk about authoritarianism as if it's something that happens everywhere else.

And I think right now you have a lot of people who are still locked into this, like it could never happen here, but at some point, don't we have to wake up and say it's happening?

Maybe incarcerated for a few days.

Yeah, and what's interesting about the test and standing up and what you said, the difference between fashion and standing up, is that people, if people are comfortable

in their own lives and, and they can convince themselves that it doesn't affect them.

I mean, that's the biggest challenge.

Yeah.

And, and also on the list of, of, you know, universities and, uh, law firms and businesses is that, you know, uh, corporations are, are different animal in, in relation to the bottom line into whatever, which way the wind blows politically.

And that's certainly with the destruction of DEI policy.

They're not beholden to tow a democratic line.