Marc Maron

And there were a couple of podcasts out there and we were like, well, let's,

Let's figure it out.

I talked to my producer who I've known since he was a kid, 24 years old.

He worked with me forever and we just figured it out.

But it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, be comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner and match game.

Well, maybe.

Doing what you got to do.

It's tough.

But I couldn't do it.

There was no way I could have done it.

How am I going to do a cruise ship?

I can barely do, like, what?

I don't know.

But because of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what,

Everything that I have now came from that.

Like, you know, doing the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy, acting gigs.

Everything happened because of that sort of act of desperation and Hail Mary pass, which had no future.

There was no, I wasn't getting into a business that was like, this is going to, we're going to really make some money on this.

It was like, we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it.

No one cared.