Marco Arment

And a lot of the theories people have with the old ones is like, oh, they need to take the video controller and attach it to the screen from the top instead of the side, because when they do it from the side, it ends up driving the display in a way such that one half of it doesn't update as fast as the other half, and you get the jelly scrolling and yada yada.

And a lot of the theories people have with the old ones is like, oh, they need to take the video controller and attach it to the screen from the top instead of the side, because when they do it from the side, it ends up driving the display in a way such that one half of it doesn't update as fast as the other half, and you get the jelly scrolling and yada yada.

So they opened this thing up and said, what do they do to fix the jelly scrolling? Did they do all those things people suggested? The answer was no. It's just exactly the same as the previous one. The hardware looks the same. It's in the same place. It's connected the same way.

So they opened this thing up and said, what do they do to fix the jelly scrolling? Did they do all those things people suggested? The answer was no. It's just exactly the same as the previous one. The hardware looks the same. It's in the same place. It's connected the same way.

So maybe it was just 100% a software fix or there's something about the fix that isn't detectable by iFixit, something inside the chips that they can't see or something. But yeah, what a weird situation. Like this complaint about the iPads existed for so long and they've seemingly... all but entirely fix the problem without changing the hardware in a way that I think it could detect.

So maybe it was just 100% a software fix or there's something about the fix that isn't detectable by iFixit, something inside the chips that they can't see or something. But yeah, what a weird situation. Like this complaint about the iPads existed for so long and they've seemingly... all but entirely fix the problem without changing the hardware in a way that I think it could detect.

Yeah, that's such a weird thing. Like far be it for me to argue for fans, but the Apple TV had a fan that I couldn't hear. And when they got rid of the fan, it's like, oh, great, they don't need the fan anymore. But apparently they did. If you're running games on it, the fan apparently helps.

Yeah, that's such a weird thing. Like far be it for me to argue for fans, but the Apple TV had a fan that I couldn't hear. And when they got rid of the fan, it's like, oh, great, they don't need the fan anymore. But apparently they did. If you're running games on it, the fan apparently helps.

So these passively cooled ones that seem to be constructed much more cheaply than the much more expensive ones that had the little tiny silent fan inside it. Yeah, maybe those were the good ones. So yeah, I guess that's another fork in the road for them. If they want to pursue gaming performance, they probably need to bring that fan back.

So these passively cooled ones that seem to be constructed much more cheaply than the much more expensive ones that had the little tiny silent fan inside it. Yeah, maybe those were the good ones. So yeah, I guess that's another fork in the road for them. If they want to pursue gaming performance, they probably need to bring that fan back.

um so you know we have lots of other ways to play games but it is frustrating as nerds to see something like this that can have the ability to play really great games and just for kind of crappy reasons doesn't really get there yeah and that's that's the fork in the road that apple has uh do you want to keep making the apple tv have better and better socs in it if so to one end uh and even just taking away the fan like maybe you know makes it cheaper fewer parts you know no potential fan knows though again the old one was silent

um so you know we have lots of other ways to play games but it is frustrating as nerds to see something like this that can have the ability to play really great games and just for kind of crappy reasons doesn't really get there yeah and that's that's the fork in the road that apple has uh do you want to keep making the apple tv have better and better socs in it if so to one end uh and even just taking away the fan like maybe you know makes it cheaper fewer parts you know no potential fan knows though again the old one was silent

but it makes it a worse gaming platform. Like I said, last time I tried to play a game on the Apple TV, there are games that play perfectly fine on the Apple TV. It's surprisingly powerful for its size and cost, and they were taken away from, like, they were no longer available. I'd played them on Apple TV before, and now they weren't there anymore, and that's not a great experience.

but it makes it a worse gaming platform. Like I said, last time I tried to play a game on the Apple TV, there are games that play perfectly fine on the Apple TV. It's surprisingly powerful for its size and cost, and they were taken away from, like, they were no longer available. I'd played them on Apple TV before, and now they weren't there anymore, and that's not a great experience.

I can't remember the last time that happened on any other gaming platform or console. Like, it's not even like it was available on an older version of Apple TV. It was just it was removed from Apple Arcade or it was removed from the Apple Store or whatever. That's frustrating. I'm not expecting it to play super-duper fancy AAA games with... I'm not expecting it to be a gaming PC.

I can't remember the last time that happened on any other gaming platform or console. Like, it's not even like it was available on an older version of Apple TV. It was just it was removed from Apple Arcade or it was removed from the Apple Store or whatever. That's frustrating. I'm not expecting it to play super-duper fancy AAA games with... I'm not expecting it to be a gaming PC.

But for the games that do run comfortably on it, it's nice that it runs games. I think it should run games. And it can run them comfortably with its current size SoC, but Apple's mishandling of games ruins that. And going forward...

But for the games that do run comfortably on it, it's nice that it runs games. I think it should run games. And it can run them comfortably with its current size SoC, but Apple's mishandling of games ruins that. And going forward...

Until we get to 8K or something, there's not really much reason to double the power of the CPU and GPU because it can already play all your streaming apps without breaking a sweat. So, yeah, what is Apple going to do with this device? I assume they'll just keep upgrading the SoC just because they don't want to keep manufacturing the old ones.

Until we get to 8K or something, there's not really much reason to double the power of the CPU and GPU because it can already play all your streaming apps without breaking a sweat. So, yeah, what is Apple going to do with this device? I assume they'll just keep upgrading the SoC just because they don't want to keep manufacturing the old ones.