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Uh, so that is, it's going to be difficult to compete with that, with things that are flying over you in space.

Uh, so that is, it's going to be difficult to compete with that, with things that are flying over you in space.

Yep.

Yep.

So the Ming-Chi Kuo one, I don't know if throwing this aside about the 2025 one is like...

So the Ming-Chi Kuo one, I don't know if throwing this aside about the 2025 one is like...

reinforcing a past rumor or how well sourced it is but the cheaper vision pro is what we talked about in the past that's why this is a change of rumored plans again this is all rumored but the plan that we heard about was oh they're not going to make another high-end one first they're going to concentrate on the cheaper one and the cheaper one should be coming and we talked about maybe like 1500 and how can they make it cheaper and blah blah blah and the cheaper one will be coming like next year or something right and now the rumors have changed say you know that cheaper one 2027

reinforcing a past rumor or how well sourced it is but the cheaper vision pro is what we talked about in the past that's why this is a change of rumored plans again this is all rumored but the plan that we heard about was oh they're not going to make another high-end one first they're going to concentrate on the cheaper one and the cheaper one should be coming and we talked about maybe like 1500 and how can they make it cheaper and blah blah blah and the cheaper one will be coming like next year or something right and now the rumors have changed say you know that cheaper one 2027

So it's like, OK, well, if that was the only rumor when I first read this, I'm like, oh, that's not good. Because if the cheaper one is going to be the next one and the next one is going to be in 2027, that means we'd be stuck with the original Vision Pro until 2027 with no changes. That is grim. OK, but here comes this other rumor.

So it's like, OK, well, if that was the only rumor when I first read this, I'm like, oh, that's not good. Because if the cheaper one is going to be the next one and the next one is going to be in 2027, that means we'd be stuck with the original Vision Pro until 2027 with no changes. That is grim. OK, but here comes this other rumor.

It's like, and that means if the cheaper one is delayed to 2027, all we have is the 2025 version, which is basically today's Vision Pro upgraded to an M5. And that's not bad, honestly. Remember, the Vision Pro is M2. Upgraded to M5, maybe it'll have an R2 processor in there or something. Presumably with the same screens and probably around the same price or whatever.

It's like, and that means if the cheaper one is delayed to 2027, all we have is the 2025 version, which is basically today's Vision Pro upgraded to an M5. And that's not bad, honestly. Remember, the Vision Pro is M2. Upgraded to M5, maybe it'll have an R2 processor in there or something. Presumably with the same screens and probably around the same price or whatever.

But that is a better Vision Pro. The rumors are that it will be able to do Apple Intelligence because it will have more RAM. M5 is going to be massively better than the M2. Same resolution on the screens means it'll be breaking less of a sweat while doing all of its stuff. Maybe it'll even get better battery life. That's a... second version of the existing Vision Pro.

But that is a better Vision Pro. The rumors are that it will be able to do Apple Intelligence because it will have more RAM. M5 is going to be massively better than the M2. Same resolution on the screens means it'll be breaking less of a sweat while doing all of its stuff. Maybe it'll even get better battery life. That's a... second version of the existing Vision Pro.

The cheap one being delayed sounds real bad, but if they have the essentially upgraded Vision Pro in 2025... I think that does show basically the minimum expected level of commitment to the product. Again, ask Apple about the Mac Studio and Mac Pro. Apple's commitment to its various products sometimes wavers, but not having another Vision Pro product to 2027 is just untenable.

The cheap one being delayed sounds real bad, but if they have the essentially upgraded Vision Pro in 2025... I think that does show basically the minimum expected level of commitment to the product. Again, ask Apple about the Mac Studio and Mac Pro. Apple's commitment to its various products sometimes wavers, but not having another Vision Pro product to 2027 is just untenable.

People would forget that it exists, right? And of course, they'd be selling the M2 model for $3,500 until 2027, which is ridiculous because by then, like the Apple Pencil would have more CPU power. But yeah, an M5 version in 2025 actually doesn't sound that bad to me.

People would forget that it exists, right? And of course, they'd be selling the M2 model for $3,500 until 2027, which is ridiculous because by then, like the Apple Pencil would have more CPU power. But yeah, an M5 version in 2025 actually doesn't sound that bad to me.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's just what you have to do for the people who already want a Vision Pro to not feel like they should, to not be repelled by the fact that it still has an M2 in it, right? You want it to get better, you know, on some reasonable schedule. And so this is sort of just, think of it this way. It's just maintaining the existing product. It's not making a new Vision Pro.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's just what you have to do for the people who already want a Vision Pro to not feel like they should, to not be repelled by the fact that it still has an M2 in it, right? You want it to get better, you know, on some reasonable schedule. And so this is sort of just, think of it this way. It's just maintaining the existing product. It's not making a new Vision Pro.