Marco Arment

It's not making a Vision Pro successor. It's just like, hey, the existing Vision Pro, every once in a while we do need to update these things because they get old.

It's not making a Vision Pro successor. It's just like, hey, the existing Vision Pro, every once in a while we do need to update these things because they get old.

And pushing the cheap one out to 2027, to me, basically reads like they couldn't figure out how to make a cheaper one in 2025. We talked about where are they going to get that cost from? What components are they going to remove and scale down? And you can rip out the eyeballs in the front, make the case out of plastic, try to put a cheaper SOC in there, but like...

And pushing the cheap one out to 2027, to me, basically reads like they couldn't figure out how to make a cheaper one in 2025. We talked about where are they going to get that cost from? What components are they going to remove and scale down? And you can rip out the eyeballs in the front, make the case out of plastic, try to put a cheaper SOC in there, but like...

those screens, if those screens don't get cheaper and Apple has limited control over that, there's not a lot of components you can totally remove and not a lot of ones that get cheaper. So I think they just did the math and said, we can't actually make

those screens, if those screens don't get cheaper and Apple has limited control over that, there's not a lot of components you can totally remove and not a lot of ones that get cheaper. So I think they just did the math and said, we can't actually make

a substantially cheaper vision pro even though they i'm sure they want to because again if you're gonna if you're gonna move the needle at all this market you have to do something and one of the things is make it way way cheaper and maybe they just said we we can't do it or we could make it you know if i make it three thousand dollars and thirty five hundred who cares like that's that doesn't do anything so hopefully in 2027 they think they have promises from their part suppliers that will be able to get you screens that are good that are half the price of the current screens and you'll get rid of the front facing eyeball screen and

a substantially cheaper vision pro even though they i'm sure they want to because again if you're gonna if you're gonna move the needle at all this market you have to do something and one of the things is make it way way cheaper and maybe they just said we we can't do it or we could make it you know if i make it three thousand dollars and thirty five hundred who cares like that's that doesn't do anything so hopefully in 2027 they think they have promises from their part suppliers that will be able to get you screens that are good that are half the price of the current screens and you'll get rid of the front facing eyeball screen and

you'll put an m5 processor in 2027 which will be plenty fast but it'll be like a two-year-old chip by then like i think that's what that rumor means and then german's rumor about glasses that offload their stuff to the phone yada yada like that will obviously happen eventually but i have trouble seeing how unless apple is just going to like throw another like dart at the dartboard and say hey people sell products like this like the x real ones where it's just glasses and it's just like another way to have a screen why don't we try that

you'll put an m5 processor in 2027 which will be plenty fast but it'll be like a two-year-old chip by then like i think that's what that rumor means and then german's rumor about glasses that offload their stuff to the phone yada yada like that will obviously happen eventually but i have trouble seeing how unless apple is just going to like throw another like dart at the dartboard and say hey people sell products like this like the x real ones where it's just glasses and it's just like another way to have a screen why don't we try that

sure you can i guess but like that's not even in the vision pro family is it because that's just basically like screen on face that thing's not going to be watching your fingers for tapping and and doing all it's like it's not it's not a vision pro it is a way to look at movies on your on the plane in glasses that are smaller and lighter and cheaper and i don't i mean i haven't actually ever tried any of those products i've seen lots of reviews of them the things that are

sure you can i guess but like that's not even in the vision pro family is it because that's just basically like screen on face that thing's not going to be watching your fingers for tapping and and doing all it's like it's not it's not a vision pro it is a way to look at movies on your on the plane in glasses that are smaller and lighter and cheaper and i don't i mean i haven't actually ever tried any of those products i've seen lots of reviews of them the things that are

Glasses with usually cheap, not very good-looking screens inside of them, but it's certainly a way lighter weight way to look at a movie on a plane, for example, than strapping on a gigantic Vision Pro headset. They don't look like glasses glasses, but they look like... dorky big computer. They're kind of like, remember those things you had, Marco, like the Bose? Yeah, the audio sunglasses.

Glasses with usually cheap, not very good-looking screens inside of them, but it's certainly a way lighter weight way to look at a movie on a plane, for example, than strapping on a gigantic Vision Pro headset. They don't look like glasses glasses, but they look like... dorky big computer. They're kind of like, remember those things you had, Marco, like the Bose? Yeah, the audio sunglasses.

Yeah, they're bigger than that, but not much bigger. Nothing compared to a Vision Pro, and they're way cheaper, and they look worse, and it's like, okay, that's a product that exists. Seriously considering, though, this is a German rubber, so I can't totally dismiss it because he's usually got pretty good sources, but... I don't know how Apple would try to sell that.

Yeah, they're bigger than that, but not much bigger. Nothing compared to a Vision Pro, and they're way cheaper, and they look worse, and it's like, okay, that's a product that exists. Seriously considering, though, this is a German rubber, so I can't totally dismiss it because he's usually got pretty good sources, but... I don't know how Apple would try to sell that.

It's like, hey, we make this Vision Pro thing that does all sorts of amazing stuff, but nobody wants it because it's too expensive. Do you want a worse experience and lightweight glasses?

It's like, hey, we make this Vision Pro thing that does all sorts of amazing stuff, but nobody wants it because it's too expensive. Do you want a worse experience and lightweight glasses?

So the tech's just not there yet. I mean, I feel like the things like X-Real and stuff are kind of like, let's meet, let's take this product and meet the tech where it's at today. And, you know, is the tech there to do something with the Abolition Pro? Not at a reasonable price and a comfortable thing. So what can we do with today's tech?

So the tech's just not there yet. I mean, I feel like the things like X-Real and stuff are kind of like, let's meet, let's take this product and meet the tech where it's at today. And, you know, is the tech there to do something with the Abolition Pro? Not at a reasonable price and a comfortable thing. So what can we do with today's tech?