Marco Arment

Well, and to be clear, before we let John explode, I'm with you, Casey, in terms of how much it makes me angry.

Like, Tahoe has a lot of little paper cuts for me.

I don't like a lot about Tahoe.

icons and menus are one of those paper cuts, but it's not super high in the list.

It's just, I think it's, it's kind of a microcosm of the design failings in general of the Alan Dye era of software.

It's like, what happens when, when this group of people, principles, trends, whatever it is, whatever came together to form Tahoe.

It's like, what happened here?

You know, there's a lot of failings to investigate, but, but like,

To me, like, the menu icons, again, like, it's not... And I don't think these articles claim that that was, like, the worst thing about Tahoe.

No.

It's just, it shows a... Lack of care.

Yeah, a lack of care and a lack of talent, honestly.

Like, a lack of design talent and a lack of respecting the platform that it's on and that it's redesigning.

Like...

You know, I said I kind of, you know, brashly said a few months back that Alan Dye doged his way through Mac OS with Tahoe.

That is how it feels like, you know, like what did Doge do for the government?

They tore through a bunch of departments without really understanding them.

They hastily and sloppily tore stuff apart and put in their own ideas without really, you know, the whole Chesterton fence thing without really understanding why anything was there, certainly without respecting it.

And while thinking they knew everything.

That's Alan Dye's team with Tahoe.