Marian Leonard

Well, Jenny, officially, this is the second time because it's only the second time that we've met a parole board.

It's only since the new statutory parole board came into being.

So prior to meeting with them this time in May and the previous time in 22, we would have sent submissions in.

They went in.

You didn't get any feedback other than waiting for the response to what the decision was of the board.

It was very anonymous with no interactions.

You just got basically the response.

It was quite cold for something that was very emotive and emotional.

So...

In 22, we met the parole board, two members of the parole board for the first time.

And the submissions would be made as usual.

And then when you go, you meet the two members.

It's done very nicely by the Department of Justice with a lovely admin team, really kind admin team.

um it's daunting it's traumatic it's everything yeah but it's not particularly the board that's causing the trauma it's the trauma that the history yeah so this time we went in in in the 16th of may and um

Met two members.

They'd had the submissions.

My son and my daughter came with me as well.

Okay.

And we now wait.

We are the first, the victims are the first to meet the board members.