Marian Leonard

They have access, obviously, to internet.

Okay.

And he's pretty expert on it, so you wouldn't know where he's reaching out to.

Esther was two years younger than me.

From Tremor, ordinary married in Tremor of four of us.

Myself and Esther were the youngest.

Oh, not until 86.

86.

So, I mean, Esther had had relationships and jobs and a good career.

And her partner at the time had wanted her to go to

Australia with him okay this is the partner just Paul just prior to when she met Frank McCann and Esther made the decision no it was too far away okay she was too involved with my kids with my brother Pat's kids and family meant so much to her that it was too far away basically okay and that was the hard decision to make so then Frank through a mutual friend more or less moved in on her courted her

Very outgoing.

Just loved people.

Was very easy with people.

And didn't have, it didn't matter who or what you were.

She had no hang-ups on people.

She just accepted everybody at face value.

No, I wasn't pushed about him.

I mean, in a way, I did like the fact that Esther wanted to settle down and that they'd be near.

And Frank's family are from Taranior, which is only down the road.