Marian Leonard

You just wouldn't want them to leave.

I mean, you know, no matter who they were.

They struggled to have children.

They got married in May.

And Frank McCann had a child in August with a little girl from the swimming association.

Yeah, but Esther...

Really, he fell out of, he wasn't interested in her sexually.

So the problem having children was, Esther said it to me quite bluntly, you have to have sex to have children.

And then we decided he must be gay.

Was our next thought.

Well, we did talk about everything.

Okay, sisters sometimes do, don't they?

Yeah, just everything.

Every surface was scratched.

Yes, well, Jeanette, Frank's youngest sister, became pregnant when she was in school.

And Esther supported her, took her into the house, was there when Jessica was born and looked after Jeanette really beautifully.

And they had a very nice relationship.

And Esther expected that Jeanette would just come home with the baby to them and she'd be in the house.

But Jeanette made the decision that she wanted to go back to school.

She was not prepared to rear a child.