Mariana Mazzucato

Surely there's some of that.

But until we manage this process, until we govern it both ethically, but also in a way that is with government instead of kind of sidetracking government in order to extract these mega rents, then we're going to have a huge problem.

I mean, I think, again, it seems like I'm saying the same thing, but I really it's because I believe in it.

This technology on its own will not solve anything if it's accompanied by a strong, for example, health system that with AI thinking about health problems, then I can see that being absolutely revolutionary.

And in fact, I once heard a really interesting discussion between Nandan Nilekani, you know, this incredible entrepreneur of computer systems.

He was one of the co-founders of Infosys in India.

And Eric Schmidt at one of these dialogues we have in Bellagio, this beautiful villa in Lake Como run by the Rockefeller Foundation.

And we had kind of Eric Schmidt on the one hand saying, you know, in the future, all we're going to really need is an app, a health app, and that's going to be fine.

And Nandan Nilekani, who really is one of the biggest innovators around computing, was like,

what?

Let me tell you, in India, without a proper health system, no matter how many apps you have, we will continue to have misery.

It's not one or the other, but what you need is more people like Nandan who think about what is the relationship between the power of AI and the structure of a health system and who's thinking about that.

If we do have at the same time, not just austerity,

but this kind of dumbing down of what we think government is for, so even the health systems we have are not kind of fit for purpose, then I don't see any sort of future of AI kind of helping us with health problems.

And by the way, just look at water.

I mean, like 55% of the global food system right now is at risk because of how we're treating the global hydrological cycle.

Biodiversity loss also in the Amazon is affecting droughts and floods in other parts of the world.

That's a huge problem.

To what degree are we really using AI to fix that problem?

Not much.