Marina Hyde

Other things happened.

Stephen Colbert, we know that Stephen Colbert's show is finishing on CBS.

So there's definitely a thing about CBS that, you know, is it vulnerable to the editorial independence being interfered with by corporate entities?

Yeah, Bari Weiss's story was that she was brought into the New York Times between 2017 and 2020, which was a sort of particular kind of the height of, to some degree, kind of peak woke.

And she was brought into sort of – she covered culture and politics to –

kind of act as a counterweight to what, you know, seen as leaning to Democrat or whatever it was.

She was quite reactionary.

She said things like, you know, the idea of cultural appropriation is stupid.

Intersectionality is a flawed idea.

These were regarded as complete sort of blasphemies at the time.

And in the end, she resigned because she said that effectively Twitter had become the New York Times' silent editor because people were so scared of cancellation or backlash that they kind of

cleaved to quite a narrow point of view and I have some sympathy with that and there are lots of places that needed some kind of correction I think I will not say that I've agreed with everything she's done since then and people

lots of people totally loathe her.

But she was installed, having never run a newsroom of any meaningful size before, and certainly not a TV newsroom, as editor-in-chief of CBS News by David Ellison.

He used to be tech correspondent at New York Times.

So many have been made redundant.

And lots and lots of executive staff, correspondents, everyone has been made redundant.

They talk about it as Black Thursday or Black Friday or whatever.

One of the correspondents, very senior correspondent.

Yeah, he seems... And by the way, the audio of this meeting was, of course, recorded and given to the New York Times.