Marina Hyde

No, and actually going round...

in high profile as Scott Pelley's doing now going around high profile broadcast slots and literally crying about things yeah it's like oh my god you are absolutely not helping even the thing you think you're helping he actually said at one point I think the headlines will just be about me crying and people saying I'm a lunatic well he called it he's a good journalist 60 Minutes is back on air in September they are currently scrabbling around to get the sort of

I agree.

Yes, I have.

I've got a really good novel, which is coming out this week.

It's called Experts in a Dying Field.

And it's by Patrick Frayn.

Now, Patrick Frayn is a very funny writer for the Irish Times.

And this is very good for our entertainment podcast.

This is a story about the members of a band, the Heathens, who were active in Dublin about sort of 20 years before the

events of this story and but tragedy struck and they sort of scatter and then they reconnect um and it's about that i mean it's about bands it's about the music scene and it's a lot of it is about dublin and it's really annoying i know it's really annoying when people say oh it made me laugh and it made me cry but it made me laugh a lot out loud and it absolutely made me cry and he's got such humanity patrick fray and i absolutely loved it so

It's called Experts in a Dying Field.

And our bonus episode for our members, which you can join at therestisentertainment.com, I'm talking to James Canagas for a minute.

It's about how a celebrity could make a run for office, even within our political system now, and generally about celebrity politicians, what they bring, and how we're going to see much, much more of them in the future.

See you on Thursday.

The rest is entertainment is presented by Octopus Energy.

Now, the moment someone becomes properly famous, they stop traveling as a person and they start traveling as a situation.

And yes, I am talking about the world of entourages.

Most people don't actually need a bodyguard and a fixer and a straw lady, but not having to start from scratch every single time you get in contact with someone is actually undeniably appealing.

A great satisfaction not having to tell your story for new every single time, which I think most major celebrities also feel.