Mark Baxter

it's going to be really painful actually in disturbing destabilizing so that's kind of what people are signing up for but the the therapeutic space and the person you're with there should be so much trust and support and validation and and mutual regard and you know therapeutic kind of like uh spaciousness there that you can you feel like you can you can do that really difficult work yeah and that takes time to develop you know yeah don't give up after the first session

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's tricky finding a psychologist or any provider that matches you and what you need and has the skills, but also has the kind of the vibe, I guess, that you're looking for.

That's, it takes some time.

So I would say to people, don't be afraid to kind of like take a bit of an experimental attitude and take some time to find someone that suits them.

So this is really tricky as well.

It's tricky for psychologists in this because there's politics underneath what gets put forward into clinical trials for evidence.

And by the politics, I just mean there's certain practices that are embedded in universities and universities have a lead role in doing clinical trials.

So

So some of the therapies that people practice that are really effective and quite powerful aren't sort of embedded in universities, so they don't have clinical trials results, and some are embedded, so they do.

So some of the stuff that has a lot of good evidence is cognitive behavioral therapy, as you've talked about in your podcast before.

Things like acceptance and commitment therapy, things like schema therapy, interpersonal therapy, narrative therapy.

Things that are really powerful and fantastic treatments too that aren't really embedded in those academic contexts.

The internal family systems therapy, which is something that I practice, which is really great at going back and working with those early experiences and how they're affecting us in our current life and transforming that.

imagery re-scripting, which I noticed that your last guest kind of reported back on.

There's things like sensory motor psychotherapy, which really gets to the core of the nervous system and the body and the posture and how that shows up in some of these patterns.

You know, existential psychotherapy.

Another one that I practice that has a lot of evidence in the trauma field and emerging evidence now in the depression field is EMDR or eye movement desensitization and reprocessing therapy, which again is

very good at targeting belief systems, patterns, early events, and how they show up in everyday experience.