Mark Bowden

They're not great entertainers.

They're not great stars by any stretch of the imagination.

Well, what's great watching this is that Hoda is really kind of lent in on this.

So she's massively keen on this, massively keen.

My guess is that Savannah Guthrie has signed up to this in some kind of way.

But you can see with that kind of...

unfinished line of energy in her hand that she's not fully engaged in this idea you know the one is really into this and has got the energy for it the other is like why is this why is this why are you here she literally says why are you here with a laugh but like this she means it and i agree with you i found that the placement of savannah's arm and she's in black hoda's in white

Yeah, joyride.

Joyride.

Listen, they are both of them incredibly skeptical, I would suggest, about what's going on here.

There's this joyride idea with the inverted commas around it.

There's the distancing between the two.

There's the, you know, the head is distant away.

I know one of them has a vocal problem at the moment.

Yeah, Savannah has a vocal problem at the moment.

It's interesting, later on in this clip, her voice really frees up when she starts talking about her kids.

There's some really true emotion about the birth of her kids.

And she gets onto a subject matter there that she's actually really comfortable with.

But I think you can see the stress in the voice there.

You can hear the stress in the voice around this relationship that's going on here.