Mark Bowden

a considered PR campaign against, as you're suggesting, Maureen, against people like you, OK?

It's a judged PR campaign to get other people who might be fans of his, or on the fence about this, to kind of turn round and go, people like Maureen, they're a little bit adolescent, and it's actually quite fun to do a thought experiment as to why people who do really bad things, you know, they might be OK, actually.

Exactly.

Love it.

Love it.

I love, I love the things you pick up on.

You know, some of the things, that's the great thing about nonverbal communication body language is there's so much in there.

Some of the stuff I'll pick up on, some of the stuff you'll pick up on, some of the stuff your viewers will pick up on and go, hang on, what does this mean?

So look, there's a lot in there.

Go back, watch it again and see what you pick up.

mark well you know often actors need a character to play in order sometimes to protect themselves or hide behind or or have a feeling that they have self okay well here in this situation you see very clear adapting and also self-soothing around the idea of demi more so he's uncomfortable

around around this idea of talking about her and notice in the tone of his voice okay he speeds up he very quickly gets through that accolade part of it and and this you know giving a high status and very quickly also runs out of energy for it you notice how his kind of words just kind of run out of energy at the end and just kind of peter off like

So very nervous around it, very anxious around it, very quick to get it over with and very soon to run out of energy for any support of his, I guess it's his ex, ex, ex wife, ex wife, ex wife.

Yeah.

Yeah, who has had an incredible, is having an incredible career and has had many great acting accolades.

He seems to kind of gloss over that and want to get onto his next bit.

I love that.

I love that.

Yes, it's a very defensive gesture.

You know what he moves on to after this?