Mark Carey

And they're 13th at the moment.

All you need is just a victory and a couple of teams to lose and you can jump three or four places.

I'll allow it.

I'll allow it.

You'd argue that Chelsea's the perfect opponent for Liverpool when they're still kind of going back and forth with convincing whether they're in good form or not.

However, you thought at the time that Spurs under Igor Tudor was the perfect opponent for them a good few weeks ago and then Spurs got a draw and Liverpool were quite...

They've really done well.

And so I was looking at this recently and there's only one occasion, I believe, in Premier League history, Manchester United in the 2016-17 season with 18 games that a team has been unbeaten for longer when not in the Premier League top five.

So Manchester cities of this world have gone longer unbeaten.

But for a team like that, it's rare that it happens.

I think there's the Carrick element, but also someone like Steve Holland behind him as the person who's doing far more of the coaching.

It is a bit more akin to the way that Alex Ferguson did it with different coaches.

He would be the one to take stuff on the...

The training ground a little bit more and then there's more of the ambassadorial role from the manager themselves.

I don't want to say that this is Manchester United we're talking about.

However, it does feel like you kind of need a bit more of an ambassadorial role and someone who can speak to the media.

Yeah, this one isn't one for the nerds.

Not one for the nerds.

causes a commotion but then united have played pretty well under him so it'll also be interesting to see if things suddenly went badly how he'd handle that okay i do think it's let's not kid ourselves i don't think united are the the real deal or they've suddenly i know that i think under carrick no team's got more points than them but i still think there's a lot of weaknesses and a lot of things that with a bit of time any opposition analysts and they already are working out a way to unlock them their midfield was pretty much empty but with a bit of time

I mean, it'll be in their heads from kickoff.