Mark Dubowitz

That's not true.

I already refuted that an hour ago.

Anyone can rewind it.

And it was through this exact kind of belligerence when we already had a deal that we could have continued to work with them on.

and Israel and the West.

We constantly aggress against North Korea, against Iran, against Russia, against these countries.

And they respond to us.

And they respond to us

In ways that they build nuclear weapons programs that are peaceful, but we force them to develop nuclear weapons.

They don't actually mean to kill us.

If this podcast is all about the American government and the mistakes it's made, then we can spend four hours on it.

So, Lex, I think the best case and something I've advocated for, I've been working on this for 22 years, is that the Iranians return to negotiations at Oman.

sit down with the United States and conclude an agreement that peacefully and permanently and fully dismantles their nuclear program.

They agree to that, which means they shut down any remaining facilities.

They give up all the remaining centrifuges and enriched material that they could use to develop nuclear weapons.

They let the IAEA in in order to supervise this.

And

They actually commit to not rebuilding this nuclear program.

And we commit, as we've done with 23 other countries, to helping them provide civilian nuclear energy.

Because it seems to me a little fanciful that Khamenei would build a civilian nuclear program under 80 meters of concrete, surrounded by rock, and take