Mark Dubowitz

Because... Can I ask you, you were saying you support the JCPOA.

So let me ask you a question because you're right.

I mean, I'm glad you've pointed out because I, I try to take a nuanced position and during the JCPOA debate and I got hammered by the left and I got hammered by the right.

Okay.

The, the, the left hammered me because I criticized the JCPOA because it's fundamental flaw was twofold.

One, it gave Iran enrichment capability that would expand over time.

as the restrictions sunset it.

And number two, the sunsets were going to kick in and Iran would emerge with this industrial-sized program, which we would not be able to stop.

Now, the nuance position, which I got hammered on by the right, was I said, go negotiate with the Europeans, agree on a common transatlantic position to approach the Iranians and say, look, that deal that we did back in 2015, we think it's flawed.

We want to extend that deal.

We want to get rid of the sunsets.

And we are going to negotiate a deal.

Now, does that mean we have to give you more sanctions relief?

Yeah, probably.

The Europeans are not going to just agree without sanctions relief.

What happened is the Trump administration tried to negotiate with the Europeans.

The Europeans were opposed.

because they didn't want to revisit the agreement.

We knew the Iranians were completely opposed, and there was no way they were going to do this if the United States and Europe were divided.

And so just a little bit of history, I just think it's interesting history.