Mark Dubowitz

If I had had a warhead, a nuclear warhead, or multiple nuclear warheads, as they had been trying to build since the Ahmad plan in early 2000s, there's no way Israel and the United States would have hit me militarily if I had nuclear weapons.

Then I would have had the ultimate deterrence to prevent that.

And then I would be like Kim Jong-un with nuclear weapons

I would then build ICBMs and then I'd have the ultimate deterrent to stop that.

So he's got to be thinking maybe now, and I can guarantee you the revolutionary guards.

Can I tell you the Libya example?

I think Scott is the most interesting one for me, right?

Because in the Libya example, it was a big mistake.

By the way, Ukraine is another good example of this.

We went to the Libyans and we said, you must fully dismantle your program.

And Gaddafi said, reluctantly under huge American pressure, okay, I'll do it.

And the Brits and the Americans went in there and literally hauled out his entire nuclear

But that wasn't my point.

Okay.

My point is, is he had a nuclear program and we can debate about, again, how we had debating about whether, again, it's always Gaddafi and Khamenei and all these people, they don't really want nuclear weapons.

We just misunderstand them.

But, but that's not the point.

The point is we did a deal with Gaddafi.

We pulled out his nuclear program.

And then I don't know how many years later, but it wasn't too many years later, seven years later.