Mark Dunkelman

We have to build a system that allows for us to make trade-offs.

We need a system where everyone has a voice and no one has a veto, and we get to a decision expeditiously, and then it's not subject to endless litigation.

And the challenge for our movement, for the abundance generally, for progressivism,

is how do we make government work?

And you're right, that abundance should be bigger than let's get rid of red tape.

This is not getting rid of red tape.

This is metabolizing a whole series of conflicting interests so that we get to a decision.

So we need to make it so that when various bureaucracies within the federal government are thinking about whether to site new wind farms off the coast and there are implications for energy and there are implications for the fishing industry and there are implications for the wildlife and for the birds and

and for the energy companies onshore.

And all of these things have divergent interests.

Right now, the federal government and government generally gets caught up in those negotiations.

Again, with the fantasy that if everyone gives their voice and we just have an equal conversation.

That's absolutely true.

And that's the system that we built over the course of the last 50 years.

Like this is the challenge for abundance.

And you're right, it's not a simple fix.

It's not something that a doge could have done.

We need to have in our mind a process that we believe is fair and that when people don't get the outcome that they want, they will abide it and understand that that was determined to be in the public interest.

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There are 16 of us and we all know each other.