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Mark Follman

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The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

The first thing you want to know is, does he have a gun? If you're worried someone's going to use a gun to kill people, you want to know if he has one. Or can he get one? Or can you stop him from getting one? There are a lot of places where you just can't do that because of the way the laws work.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

The first thing you want to know is, does he have a gun? If you're worried someone's going to use a gun to kill people, you want to know if he has one. Or can he get one? Or can you stop him from getting one? There are a lot of places where you just can't do that because of the way the laws work.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

The first thing you want to know is, does he have a gun? If you're worried someone's going to use a gun to kill people, you want to know if he has one. Or can he get one? Or can you stop him from getting one? There are a lot of places where you just can't do that because of the way the laws work.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Yeah, it can. That's certainly a signal in cases, including the story I was talking about Brandon. That case, the specificity of what he said was very important in that moment. He said, don't come to school on Friday. I'm bringing my dad's gun back and I'm shooting up the school. The points of specificity in that, when he's going to do it, how he's going to do it, with what instrument.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Yeah, it can. That's certainly a signal in cases, including the story I was talking about Brandon. That case, the specificity of what he said was very important in that moment. He said, don't come to school on Friday. I'm bringing my dad's gun back and I'm shooting up the school. The points of specificity in that, when he's going to do it, how he's going to do it, with what instrument.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Yeah, it can. That's certainly a signal in cases, including the story I was talking about Brandon. That case, the specificity of what he said was very important in that moment. He said, don't come to school on Friday. I'm bringing my dad's gun back and I'm shooting up the school. The points of specificity in that, when he's going to do it, how he's going to do it, with what instrument.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

A lot of school shooting threats are more broad. Oh, school shootings are cool. Statements like that in cases. I'm going to shoot this place up someday. I remember that moment well, actually, I was sitting in the meeting with the threat assessment team where they were talking about that. This is very concerning because previously,

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

A lot of school shooting threats are more broad. Oh, school shootings are cool. Statements like that in cases. I'm going to shoot this place up someday. I remember that moment well, actually, I was sitting in the meeting with the threat assessment team where they were talking about that. This is very concerning because previously,

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

A lot of school shooting threats are more broad. Oh, school shootings are cool. Statements like that in cases. I'm going to shoot this place up someday. I remember that moment well, actually, I was sitting in the meeting with the threat assessment team where they were talking about that. This is very concerning because previously,

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Brandon had made a couple of comments about school shootings that were broader like that. In 2018, there was, I don't know if you remember, there was like a big national school walkout after Parkland when the March for Our Lives movement was starting among kids. So kids were walking out of school and a teacher had asked Brandon about this.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Brandon had made a couple of comments about school shootings that were broader like that. In 2018, there was, I don't know if you remember, there was like a big national school walkout after Parkland when the March for Our Lives movement was starting among kids. So kids were walking out of school and a teacher had asked Brandon about this.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Brandon had made a couple of comments about school shootings that were broader like that. In 2018, there was, I don't know if you remember, there was like a big national school walkout after Parkland when the March for Our Lives movement was starting among kids. So kids were walking out of school and a teacher had asked Brandon about this.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

I think she'd asked him, are you joining the walkout tomorrow? And he said, no, I think maybe I'll just shoot up the school instead. That comment made its way to the threat assessment team. But that wasn't as specific as I'm coming here on Friday with my dad's gun. So that is a sign in many cases of progression on the pathway. a planning process that is now escalating.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

I think she'd asked him, are you joining the walkout tomorrow? And he said, no, I think maybe I'll just shoot up the school instead. That comment made its way to the threat assessment team. But that wasn't as specific as I'm coming here on Friday with my dad's gun. So that is a sign in many cases of progression on the pathway. a planning process that is now escalating.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

I think she'd asked him, are you joining the walkout tomorrow? And he said, no, I think maybe I'll just shoot up the school instead. That comment made its way to the threat assessment team. But that wasn't as specific as I'm coming here on Friday with my dad's gun. So that is a sign in many cases of progression on the pathway. a planning process that is now escalating.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

That actually came into play in this case too with Brandon when the lead psychologist on the team sat down with him. She told me about this. I was there the day, not in the meeting with him, but later that day she told me that one of the things he said that was really important was he talked about how he wanted a summer job so he could earn money to buy a car. That's a goal, like a positive goal.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

That actually came into play in this case too with Brandon when the lead psychologist on the team sat down with him. She told me about this. I was there the day, not in the meeting with him, but later that day she told me that one of the things he said that was really important was he talked about how he wanted a summer job so he could earn money to buy a car. That's a goal, like a positive goal.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

That actually came into play in this case too with Brandon when the lead psychologist on the team sat down with him. She told me about this. I was there the day, not in the meeting with him, but later that day she told me that one of the things he said that was really important was he talked about how he wanted a summer job so he could earn money to buy a car. That's a goal, like a positive goal.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

So yes, he was depressed. Yes, there was concern he was starting to become suicidal, but he also had aspirations. Cases of desperation, suicidality that's more extreme, you don't see that kind of talk, I think, in most cases. Yeah, that can be very significant. Again, it's a set of data that I think becomes very complex and unique to each case.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

So yes, he was depressed. Yes, there was concern he was starting to become suicidal, but he also had aspirations. Cases of desperation, suicidality that's more extreme, you don't see that kind of talk, I think, in most cases. Yeah, that can be very significant. Again, it's a set of data that I think becomes very complex and unique to each case.