Mark Gagnon

Really?

Do you see it as a compliment?

Because you should.

Fair.

I guess Steve Jobs is sort of this enigmatic front man, so to say, and then Wozniak is sort of the genius, the brains behind it, sort of the guiding sort of spiritual moral force of this thing.

At the onset, at least.

That's where that comparison comes from.

in a neutral way, because things, just little tweaks of language can shift how the public sees a person, an event, an institution.

And it's a difficult task, but it was one that Wikipedia was committed to from the very beginning.

And per, I guess, your, you know, kind of your words, it's maybe deviated in that commitment to neutrality.

So can you explain how neutrality works and maybe some of, maybe an example of how that could be manipulated?

Now, this seems challenging, right?

Because you kind of have to steel man both positions.

Exactly.

And you also need to steel man them.

And when I say steel man, just obviously presenting the most sound sort of valid logical reasoning for both sides of an argument.

But also...

I guess creating some type of distinction that maybe they don't both hold similar weight, I guess.

Like this is something I wonder with like trying to find like a middle ground.

Like you might think of like, you know, some type of tyrannical dictator or demagogue.