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Mark Gagnon

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Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

So this was peak Cold War paranoia.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

Korea was fighting, the Soviets had nukes, American prisoners of war were confessing on camera that the U.S.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

had biological weapons, and American intelligence was convinced that brainwashing was a real phenomenon.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

Now, this led to two things, Project Bluebird and Project Artichoke.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

These were...

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

MKUltra's predecessors.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

Their goal was simple in theory and pretty scary in practice.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

They basically wanted to know whether or not drugs, hypnosis, psychological torture or some type of sensory manipulation could be used to break down prisoners and get secret intelligence or erase or alter memories of people that had seen terrible things or even allow full control over a human being.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

Now, Fort Detrick Special Operations Division worked closely with these projects for one main reason.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

The CIA needed people who understood toxins and aerosols, but most importantly, how to deliver them silently.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

And S.O.D.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

had exactly that.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

So because of his position, Olson wasn't just in the lab at Detrick.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

He also traveled and visited CIA linked black sites in places like Germany and France where suspected spies and prisoners of war were being interrogated.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

Officially, these sites were for debriefing or screening, but unofficially, they were where the U.S.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

and its allies could do things that would never fly on American soil.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

Think almost like Guantanamo Bay in the modern day.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

It was later suggested that during these trips abroad, Frank Olson would witness brutal interrogation and torture that was justified as science experiments and potentially new experiments on people who never consented to any of this.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

So if you're wondering why any of that would involve a biochemist, remember, part of what Bluebird and Artichoke were testing was the idea that drugs could make someone more malleable.

Camp Gagnon
The 'Only' Casualty of MK Ultra

And to do that, they needed someone who understood what these drugs did and how to administer them.