Mark Ganis

Well, I was out of work for a year trying to figure out different things.

I attempted some things on my own as well.

I wasn't able to make enough to get us out of

you know, to be able to sustain us for a long time, start getting that, uh, starting getting, uh, credit cards to be able to manage, uh, uh, you know, I finally got a job and then it's grown because once, once I guess there's a point of you have enough debt, the payment, get it to, uh, get you to a point where you can't make,

it's, it's what's left is not enough.

So you got to continue getting more and more and more and more.

We haven't been able to manage reducing the expenditures enough.

Yeah.

I'm looking at the numbers.

I mean, two years ago, a year.

Well,

For a while, we've been wanting to do something, but it's become quite urgent now.

So we're trying to figure out.

Probably $3,500, a little more.

$1,500?

Oh, $3,500.

Okay.

Minimum payments.

So we have two cars.

Um, one of them, I ended up in a spent quite a bit in repairs and things like that.