Mark Grody

And I'm always curious as to what he says, because I respect him as a defensive coordinator.

And frankly, he's going to tell you what he's doing and you're going to know, and it's still your job to stop it on the other side.

And then it was also open locker room time in Green Bay.

So there were some things that were discussed.

But that's my point.

And this is a team who lost four games in a row, yes.

But we know that's a big asterisk when it comes to having to have your backup quarterback back play for two whole games, a half of another one.

This isn't a typical situation and scenario.

They purposefully rested their starters.

And once you consider that there is a little bit of a dance there between Ben Johnson and Matt LaFleur that perhaps when he said we play our starters, we're a football team, we play football, that maybe it wasn't a knock on the Eagles like I thought because that was the team trying to get the two-seat alongside you.

But perhaps it was Green Bay.

Oh, yeah.

And that said, that's why I feel like this is still, to me, a bonus for whatever you get with success.

Then there comes the granular, oh, these are winnable games.

Here's how X, Y, and Z. They could have won if they had done this.

But the point is, all of it overall...

Still a bonus, in my opinion, at least after watching 2-10 game, losing streaks in the past couple of years, them qualifying for the first overall pick, them getting it the next year, all of that, all of that.

I feel much more confident.

It's kind of like our conversation yesterday, right?

Out of all the coaches who could be on the hot seat in the NFL, Matt LaFleur, theoretically one of them, if the Packers don't win because of the playoff expectation, even though his record is 3-5, I'm confident in Ben Johnson.