Mark Lamont Hill

This is from St. John's most recent album festival season. It's called Fuck Being Sad. Oh, it's my shit.

Feeling good, man. Feeling excellent, man. This weather make me feel better. Absolutely. Even inside, I don't even care. It's just nice.

That's it.

I'm just teasing Ish because I know he's nervous. He's probably going to hear this. No, she's excellent. Honestly, one of the best in the country. She's amazing. She gave me a lot of good advice on mine. I just happened to go to her because I didn't discover her until afterward. I would have gone to her. And she's amazing. I was happy to pass the connection over. She's so dope.

So yeah, I'm just waking up early and earlier. Well, if anybody fasting, that extra hour is not the best, it's not your friend.

Yeah, because it's been 5.58 to break fast now, it's 6.58. That hour is crucial. Yeah, but the hour don't know.

You get the—back on the other end, if you wake up to eat, because you get to sleep an extra hour before that. But I don't—I usually go to bed at—like you, I'm up all night, and then I miss breakfast, and then I'm going until 6 o'clock, and now I'm going to 7 o'clock. So for me, I don't get the advantage of the other side of it.

Oh, hell yeah. Hit their week. Yeah.

I'm blocking some of that shit out. Yeah. For me, what made me nervous was hearing that J.D. was coming for y'all. I heard he went to fuck y'all up.

and that's why he went all the way across the country to see her. She's amazing.

That's who asked you on? Yeah. He right on your H7. Yeah, L2. Your L3. What hurts?

Do you think that he's got it wrong or do you think he's carrying the water for the majors?

I hear that. And if he weren't Jermaine Dupri, it would be like me saying on Twitter, what's the point of Black History Month? I could just be asking a question, but you would expect that I would know the answer to that based on who I am and where I am in the world. Is Black History Month February or April? Both. Both.

It's all year round. So we get two. We just get February. We used to get a week. Now we get a month.

But if it's April, all right. So it's like when Jermaine Dupri says, what's the difference? It's hard to take it as an earnest question when he's an industry veteran, a legend, somebody who knows the business inside and out. It's hard for me to believe that he needs to ask that question to Twitter.

It's like a meek tweet. No comment. But I'll say this. If you heard me say, what's the point of Black History Month? You would interpret it as me saying something's wrong with it because it's me asking as opposed to a 12-year-old asking.

Right. So you would assume if I'm asking, I'm asking it with a point of view already. If Jermaine Dupri is saying, what's the difference between a major and an independent when you spent your whole life in the music business since you were this big, literally, I got to assume you have an opinion on it that you're trying to communicate through that question.

For sure.

Well, that's what was interesting to me. He said, I know people have gotten this deal. He didn't say, I sign people to that kind of deal. Was he giving people the independent label kind of deals at So So Def? Was he doing that?

independent label what I'm saying is he's saying there are majors that get all the good stuff that independents get you can get it on a major and I'm saying well he had a label right he didn't say I'm giving those deals out because then that would make sense to me like why y'all going over there I can give y'all that here he said I know people who got that so it doesn't sound like he's giving them out either

Sorry. There goes my rap career.

That Funktify remix ain't happening.

I love Doshi. I mean, I don't know now. Oh, shit. I stand with Dolce.

It was... So what do y'all got to say about it? I stand with Dolce on that. You know what I mean? Not in the sense that I think... You don't like straight men either? Not my thing, yeah. Not my thing. No, she's entitled to have a flag for herself. Sure. And I felt like... If she said, like, fuck all straight men, that's different, right?

I feel like she was saying, this is a red flag for me, and based on her experiences. Also, she's dated guys who are bi. Yeah. She's got a type.

Yeah. So if that's your bag, and those type of guys you want as well, then yeah, that might be a flag for her.

I don't think it does either.

A red flag is just a sign that something is concerning. It doesn't have to be danger. Oh, knock it the fuck off. No, no. Like if you go to a job interview and you show up at hour late, that's a red flag.

And what's the other one y'all said? No. I'm saying I do think she know red flag me. I think she's using the way most people use it. I think that she has a type, and I think it's okay to say that when I meet somebody who's not that thing, that's a flag for me.

Right.

LA and New York got dope surgeons. Yes. And because this was a recommendation and because she's so good, it made sense. You know what I mean? No, it made a lot of sense. I agree with you.

It wouldn't be a red flag if... She doesn't like men. But that's not the point. I get what he's saying. He's saying, obviously, if you if this whole sort is something you don't deal with, then saying that there are red flags is alienates them because that's not your type. I mean, it's not your thing. I hear that.

What I'm saying is I don't operate from the premise that she doesn't date any straight men. I think based on all the interviews I've seen, she dates men and she does not have a problem dating bisexual men. And I think that there's a certain thing she wants in men. emotionally, physically, sexually, whatever, that she tends to find in men who are not straight.

And so the red flag for her comes when she meets a dude who's straight.

Okay, so Joe, Joe, if you like threesomes all the time, all you wanted was threesomes, right? Whoever you with, they got to be down with threesomes, right? And somebody said, what's a red flag for you? And you said, and they said, a straight girl. Would that be alienating straight women? You want a girl who's bisexual? Who's with the shits. Yeah. It's no different.

It's the same thing. Oh, I don't see it that way at all.

She seems to get a particular rise out of people on Twitter, too, for some reason.

The label. The TDE part.

Because like you said, it's a playful show and she didn't want to get into all the specifics about butt play.

I'm just saying, straight mail. I end with that. Fair enough.

I think that's just, I think that's Lauryn blessing her. Good, good. I'm only talking about how things appear, Mark. No, I'm with you.

Lauren? Nikki kind of bowed before her and, you know, gave her her love and praise and she showed love back. This is the first time I've seen her sort of outreach to a woman rapper. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah, maybe it's the first time she thinks somebody should take the torch. Or maybe Lauren's like, all right, it's probably time for me to pass the torch since the second I'll make up. You know, I can respect that. I don't know. I feel like in every industry I've ever been in or seen, when someone is successful, one, it's always from a grind that people didn't see.

And then the people who didn't get it then say that person's a plant. I remember when Ta-Nehisi Coates became a big star or Melissa Harris Perry on TV. Cornel West was like, they're a liberal plant. Right. I'm not even joking. Right. When I was an activist in movements, whenever somebody got too close to the leader, they're an agent. Right.

It's like every movement, every organization, when people don't succeed, everybody looking around says they must have got there because they cheated. They're a secret mason. They're part of a secret. We do that with everything. We think anybody who's successful is not us. Illuminati. Illuminati. That's what I was trying to say. Yeah, thank you. Everybody got there the wrong way. It's just hate.

It's just hate. Everybody got there the wrong way except you. Right.

Exactly.

He said no. Everybody that work hard don't have all that talent. He said that black hole is filled with people who didn't do both.

But I feel like the hip-hop underground is filled with people who work their ass off, grind, got a lot of talent, and never make it big, and they do that shit for 30 years. Define make it big. They never get out of working Joe's Pub. No disrespect to Joe's Pub, but I'm saying if your goal is to be, you know, major label filling stages, you never get the, you know what I mean? That's their grind.

Like, I think there's a lot of people, like Joe said, who are super talented and work really hard and stick to it. I mean, how many musicians we know always playing local spots, never blow up bands, never make, I mean, the right person.

Well, can y'all explain something to me? Who is an example of a plant? Because maybe then I don't have... What's a clear, indisputable example of a plant? See? Then I can compare it. Names? Yeah. Who would we say is a plant?

No, he was... I mean, because I'm like, if somebody's an internet sensation and then a label says, you know what? This dude just got 50 million... Prodigy. You know what I mean? They got all the stuff. Well, internet sensation doesn't speak to talent. But that's what I'm saying. So the Lil Nas X piece of it, is he a plant or is he somebody who they said, look, he can create an audience.

Let's escalate him to the top. That's what a plant would be, though.

Got you. So if you make it to the top too fast, you're a plant. Yeah.

Like, L'Angelo Ball is not a plant to you?

But he got a viral hit. And then he got a big deal. That's what I'm saying.

Got you.

Okay.

I think she was going through postpartum, though.

She was on the road in 07.

Yes. That's when it is. Every March.

Okay. All right, so. I remember that many. Can I ask y'all the boat question? Can I ask the boat question? Sure you can. So the internet last week was all. Internetting. Internetting for sure. And people were outraged because people asked the boat question. And the question was, if you are in a boat with your husband, wife, significant other, and your child, a baby. How old?

I think what I saw was 10 months, but I'll double check that. But let's just assume that was 10 month old baby. And you can only save one. Who do you save? Now, the question itself got people going. But what got people really going was this woman in particular who made a video saying, we can make another baby. I chose that man. He's the head of my household. He is my king. I saw this. I saw this.

I'm choosing him. We'll just make another baby. And people said. She got biblical on it, too. Oh, she got real biblical on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She hit some thou shalt nots. And the next thing I know. The tidal wave. Was she black?

Of course she was. She was black? Yeah. Got it. Yeah. And so people were like, how dare you? Well, what's the outrage? how are you going to let your baby drown for this nigga? All right, well, y'all answer first.

You're supposed to say, I'll leave, and then they survive. Actually, I was thinking, like, I really can't. I'm going to have to go for myself just to be extra safe. I'm not bringing nobody. I'm bringing this life jacket. No, I don't think there's a wrong answer. I don't think there's a wrong answer. It would be hard for me to look at an innocent child and leave them, though.

Oh, shit.

Oh, shit. I don't see me leaving no baby. I love my wife. I would take the baby. I feel like I could. Yeah, I mean, you can't make another person. You can't replace either of them, but I'd probably take the baby. Yes, you can. You can make another baby. No, I mean, you can't make that person. You might make a better person.

Make it through the struggle. Michael Phelps would have made it happen.

I think he had a natural swim at that point. Yeah, yeah, the baby be all right. I think an adult had a better chance of swimming than a 10-month-old, right? No. No. Y'all niggas crazy.

Just told us last week he almost died when somebody threw him in.

Come on, babies.

Babies can swim.

Just go pick up another one.

So at what age does the answer change? Does it change at two? Does it change at three for you? Oh, if it's two, then you have to deal with it like a man. You're out of here if you're two.

And I'm clipped, see? So I gotta keep mom. I think you got a better chance of finding another wife than you do another baby. Oh, shit.

How long you been married again? Like a year and a half. We've been together like a long time.

How hard is it to make a baby? Not you. No, I'm saying for a lot of people, the older you get, the harder it is. Once you turn 40, your percentage is in the 1%.

Mark, I don't know what you're talking about. IDF.

Cat won't be at the boat. Dog can swim. Y'all are terrible people. Mel, what would you choose? No, I'm sorry.

This is hypothetical. I ain't got no 10-month-old.

Somebody might say neither do her men, but, you know. I'm just saying, like, relationship-wise, you know what I mean? You can come and go. Daisy's going to last for a long time.

It was for everybody. Again, the women answered it first. The women answered it first. And most of the women took their man, which shocked me. I thought women would save their children.

Jesus.

Nah.

Yeah.

Here's the quote. Nobody is going to believe me because I can admit from the video, it does look purposeful. But I know my intentions and I would never hit anybody on purpose. Then she said, after a couple of times hitting her, my baton got stuck behind her back like this and it rolled up her back. I lost my balance when I pumped my arms again and she got hit.

To accidentally at full speed bust somebody in the head three or four times with a baton. Yeah. Nigga lying. Yeah.

That was a good time.

We don't need a board. I'm a professional. We don't need a board. I'm not used to being at the big kids table. Y'all usually have me over there. I forgot. I forgot. Shout out to Ish, by the way. Shout him out. My brother, who's getting his injury handled. I found him a surgeon. I found him an excellent surgeon, so she's gonna take care of him.

Oh, man.

But they got him for, yeah, they tried to get him for the line, but they were just mad he was fucking on top.

Y'all know goddamn well. But I heard. Bill heard. Bill used to get busy out there. I mean, I know two models. One is pretty well known that told me how Bill used to get down. You know how Bill get down, y'all. The Secret Service started snitching on him. They used to call Air Force One Air Fuck One. Oh, shit. Because he would bring them on the plane. That sounds right.

I guess what else are you going to do if you're the president? Did they give you any details? There's only one way to compete.

Let me know if you need it. I got a bad guy.

They didn't tell me that part. Well...

Yeah, I didn't ask when she told me.

Was he hanging? But I feel like women volunteer that when they want you to know that. That's what I mean. So she didn't say nothing, so that might be a tell in and of itself, but I didn't ask. She definitely, yeah. I was impressed at Bill, to be honest. fucking on Air Force One? This particular model, I was like, damn.

I was like, damn. Really? Yeah, yeah. Salute? He had a time. 90s was his era. You don't say. All you can do is just die now.

No. Okay, got it. No. I would hold the dignity of the office. Got it.

No, you wouldn't.

Yes, I would, man.

Oh, shit.

Why do people fuck at their house? Like, cheat in their house?

Is it the thrill or the danger? Well, where else you supposed to go? Probably both. Hotels, day house, the car, the movies, the bathroom. Anywhere else. Anywhere but home.

I will. She's a brilliant sister.

That just feels, I mean, yeah, I couldn't imagine.

I mean, cheating feels morally wrong to me, but like, the house feels an extra level of disrespect. Like, I feel like your partner could get over you cheating. You cheating, like, in y'all bed or y'all crib, y'all couch, y'all closet, whatever the fuck it is, like, sound like, I feel like that would be harder to get over. Like, if my wife cheated on me in the house, I'd feel worse.

I'm like, he was fucking that dude. Nah, he was working at E7. No. I'm like, yo, he's busting that gardener. Oh, my God. Yeah, man, I'm not leaving nobody $11 billion.

That's the takeaway. Gardner's got that fire. Fuck cancer patients. This is the Gardner. Holy shit. Salute to the Gardner, man. Why he got to adopt the Gardner? Why can't he just give the Gardner the money?

I think you could bring $11 billion. Yeah, she could.

That's a fact.

I'll fuck pretty much anything. Insert any word in that space. I don't care. 11 billion? Yes.

Hey, go ahead and walk up in there. Pablo ready for round two.

How'd you hurt your neck, your back? That's hate.

He's back on that dirt and shit. Joe's just going to fuck his whole staff. Word. Whoa, whoa. You work in his house. I'm talking about his house staff. Yeah, yeah.

No, but it was like a car accident?

100%.

Yeah, that's the origin of it. Oh, you still getting pain from that?

Yeah, any heirs, then it goes to them. Oh, so he ain't got no choice. Now he's like, fuck that charity.

Let me... All right, cool. How bad must you hate the charity to want to give all $11 billion to your gardener?

Yeah.

Yeah. Unless he made some deal with the gardener, like, I'm going to give this to you and then you distribute it the way I want it to. Yeah. That's probably what it is.

Damn. Do y'all have gardeners? I don't. No, I don't have a gardener. You got a gardener. He don't live there, but I got a gardener. Okay. Luis. Just coincidentally. You fucking racist.

Luis, huh?

He was the best qualifier for the job.

So nasty.

I don't know. I didn't ask.

But your home, your group chat? Oh, yeah, your group chat.

And the narrative is that Beckham, Drewski, Diddy, singer, rapper, I don't know if she's a rapper, singer, Jaguar Wright, among others.

This is a wild three. That's a wild origin right there. That they all... They had puff moms, man. I ain't gonna hold you, man.

They threw Jaguar in the mix. Yeah, they threw Jag in, which is interesting. Which is where I always check out.

What Eric used of kidnapping, drugging, and assaulting multiple individuals after allegedly Diddy heard her saying that she believed that he was involved in the murder of Tupac. So basically... So the idea is... Diddy thinks he heard she said something about Tupac. So he assembled Drewski, Odell Beckham, the Justice League of Avengers.

And they all assaulted this woman, two Jane Doe's and another woman whose name I won't say, but her name is listed on the court document. Like, I don't want to do a whole bunch of laughing. Y'all don't believe Jane Doe.

That was the pause of the year, bro. That was egregious. I mean, I wasn't finished. Oh, God. It's a hostile work environment now, man. Goddamn.

Oh, shit.

I feel really bad. We're at a moment now where there's a feeding frenzy because Diddy has so many cases and so many charges. And there are a lot of lawyers, unscrupulous lawyers, who are just throwing everything at the wall, hoping that people will be so afraid of having their name in the news that they'll pay to not have their name in the news.

And I think more people are coming forward and saying, I'm not going with that. There are a lot of women out there and men who are assaulted, who are harmed. And I hate that stories like this get the attention and not the ones that are actually legitimate and plausible. And for me in this case, it's not even that I don't believe the Jane Doe's. I don't even know if there are Jane Doe's.

A lot of these lawyers make up people. They literally manufacture people to make a case hoping that they can get paid. So I hope the truth comes out and it prevails, but this is not a good thing.

What's the strategy? If I'm puff? Oh, you think it's a puff strategy? Oh, got it. Just keep throwing a bunch of bullshit out there and let it happen. Keep signing executive orders. That's another reverse card.

Damn. Yeah, that's the idea. That is a legitimate strategy. I don't know if it's puff strategy.

But it does cast out. And that's the thing. Oftentimes when people are accused of egregious crimes and lots of them, it makes the juries find it harder to imagine that it's true because they don't believe this might conceivably do a hundred things.

And that's the thing, it raises doubt in people's minds. Yeah, it'll raise doubt. It'll be interesting when a trial, and look, we six weeks away from the trial.

There are. There are. Then they need to update it. Or they need to start enforcing it. They don't enforce it is the issue. It needs to be enforced. And it's not just for sexual assault. It's for everything. But I think part of the issue is we live in a society that doesn't believe... Women. Women. And doesn't believe survivors in general, men or women, but particularly doesn't believe women, right?

And... I think people are reluctant to add more to the pile that will discourage people from coming forward when they are assaulted and when they are harmed. That's the other side of that is that I agree. If you're lying, you should be held accountable. But there's a lot of people who aren't lying who still get called liars.

And if there's more laws and more intimidation and more threats against those people, then they're going to be even more afraid to stand up and speak out. So that's the thing.

Right.

I agree with you. I'm saying the downside of that is that if you start enforcing that law or there's a sense that that law is going to be enforced, witnesses and victims get intimidated all the time, and that becomes another tool that the other side will use. Powerful people will say, well, if you come forward, I'm going to make you look like a liar.

I'm going to call the police on you, and you're going to go to jail. They do it all the time.

I get that.

I get it.

Man, but that slip and slide is wild.

And she has to because if she doesn't do that, then she gets prosecuted. So she'd rather it look like a he said, she said that she loses than it look like, okay, I admit I lied. Because with Jay-Z's resources and the public attention, if she says, yeah, I conspired, the next step is she's getting prosecuted. Perjury, fraud, all those things. Nasty.

Yeah, I hate it.

It was like he just looked at our algorithm. Right. And he's all people might use. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just said, okay.

You Google Diddy, sexual assault, Jaguar's going to come up. I mean, it literally feels like just a mishmash of people. And I know Jaguar wasn't involved in it. I am confident that Jaguar wasn't involved in anything, as confident as I am with Drewski, for whatever reason. Just because I know who people mix with and who people don't. And when you look at the time period of 2018,

It just doesn't add up. I mean, Odell, he's never even been in that part of California before. And I think Drewski said the same thing. It's just, I don't know, a lot of it looks like it's just a mess.

Here? LA.

But it's not gendered for me. It's just like some kids I know need a kick in the ass. Like I came home, when I dropped out of college, I came home and my mom gave me like December, January, February. She said, you got to get a job or get out. Then when I got the job, she was like, you got till June. I got the job in February. By May, I was out. Because she knew that I needed that.

She knew that if I stayed around and did nothing, I was going to keep doing nothing. I got another sibling who was there until... Two years ago. You know what I'm saying? That's hate a little bit. All right, go ahead. I'm sorry. How about hate? No, that was definitely hate. I got another sibling.

All right, my bad. Fair enough. I didn't mean to make it sound like that. But not to get all heavy with it, but I remember before my dad died, I asked him,

That's basically what he said. Let me not say it because he might watch this at some point. But I'll just say what my parents expressed was that they had concerns that some of us, if they didn't go the right way, could end up homeless, could end up out on the street. And so I used to not understand that until I became a parent. You was on the wrong route. Me? A little bit.

A little bit, but... But you got it right. You got yourself together. I got to figure this shit out. But the point is, some kids you know will be okay. Some kids you really worry about, like, this kid ain't going to be okay. Some kids are going to fail, and you can see it. From early? Yeah. Like five?

Wow. Yeah, I found a good black woman surgeon, dope. Incredible. Yeah, I ruptured my Achilles as well. I didn't use her, but I thought this is a really good opportunity to give a black woman a chance.

Dead ass. I'm just being a dick, but it's true. It's true. I got some cousins and nephews I know I'm going to be taking care of in 20 years.

So that's it. So as a parent, if you know, if you see that for your kid and you're like, if I keep them in this house, at least they'll have food, clothing, and shelter. Mm-hmm. I'll be okay. And I said to my mom, you need to put him out. If he's homeless, he's homeless. At some point, he got to stay on his own too. She said, yeah, but if he doesn't, I don't want that guilt.

She said, I'm only going to be around another 15, 20 years. Wait for me to die and put him on. You do that when I'm gone. I don't want that guilt. And it sounded fucked up, but then fuck Joe.

I said something fucked up? I mean, yeah. Oh, to put him out part? Yeah. If a nigga is 45 at home. Oh, shit, I could hear how you was telling your dad no.

By that point. Come on, man. You can't do that. But the whole point is, but if you know Frazier, my thing is I believe Frazier could be anything. But I think y'all coddling him by protecting him because y'all so scared he's not. And they're like, we know him better than you. And that's the thing I didn't learn until I got older is maybe I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about.

Yeah, parents know their kids too now. Yeah. You know your kid ain't going to make it. You know?

Some kids are special.

You popped his body in the sandwich in front of me. You popped a double roast beef sandwich. This is delicious.

Can your kids come home with you? Come home to you whenever they want? Yeah. For as long as they want?

I'm with that. I just feel like sometimes the thing you think is going to make them better is, I'm saying do whatever will make your kid better, but sometimes we think bringing them in does that. And it enables. It's enabling.

So they only left it in two of the three, there's, There's three of us that they both have and they left it in two of our names. Frazier didn't get it. It wasn't Frazier's name.

Damn, Frazier.

Good for you. Like I said, I don't do people dirty, but... We don't never want you again.

Let me say this. I'm sorry. I didn't give it to him. I have it. He's in prison, so I can't give it to him, but it's in a... Trust.

It's in an account form. Oh, shit. Maybe I'll...

I got you, though.

I put money in his books every week, and I don't take it out of the money. I don't take it out of the money.

I could, but I don't.

How much money for those books? The max you can do every three days is $300. So I do like $500 a week. So you don't do the max? No. No. Nope. But I also send them sneakers. I'm like, you need sneakers. Hey, brother. I send them sneakers. I send them books. I just bought them a TV. I wasn't around for y'all to bring them in. I don't know. You should handle them how you want to handle them.

I put a lot of money in them books, man. Holy shit. Niggas start getting entitled, though, man.

So... I agree that LeBron had every right to confront Stephen A. And I didn't want Stephen A to criticize Bronny on the father-son tip. You can just criticize him as a basketball player the way every other GM and coach has, who has that position.

Yeah. Do we never, though, say to somebody, hey, you're making a bad choice as a parent? I mean, for example, when LeVar Ball, and he turned out to be right, but when LeVar Ball took LaMelo out of high school and put him overseas, lots of people said that's unfair. You're trying to make your kid a pro instead of focusing on his education. Are we allowed to say that?

Are we allowed to tell parents who are in the public parenting that they're making bad choices as parents?

Ever?

Yeah, we should trust his judgment at this point. But what I'm saying is, and again, I fully agree with LeBron and what he did, and I fully disagree with Stephen A. I'm just saying there are moments where I don't accept the rule that we just should never criticize people's parenting. That's all I'm saying, because I think there are times where we should. Give an example of that.

Stage parents, we tend to call them stage moms, but really stage parents often exploit their kids, right? They often... Or try to live through... Yeah, yeah. And we criticize the shit out of that. And I don't think that's unfair or unreasonable to.

But what if I said beating the shit out of Tito to make him play the guitar better was bad parenting or bad choice? Would that be okay for me to say? No, you can't tell him that. Okay, so that's what we... That's my thing.

That just feels semantic. It is. No, no, no, no. It's different, though. Bad parent is different.

So if I say to Nick, right... As a father, you should want... Just to use Stephen A. 's language. As a father, you shouldn't want to have 10 kids in 10 places because you can't be present for all of them. That's in bad taste.

Yeah, I'm just saying hypothetical. I'm not criticizing that.

And that's why it feels like a slippery slope. Because while I agree with the LeBron Stephen A criticisms, I think Stephen A went too far. It's not necessary. Because again, the worst case scenario is he's a bad NBA player or whatever. That's not a bad outcome. That's an outcome that 99.9% of the world will never get. You can't criticize him for that. I get that.

But the other extreme, when we talk about calling Dyfus or calling child services on somebody, that's the extreme where we all agree you can criticize that. But in the middle is a bunch of choices that I might think are unethical, like pulling a kid out of school or depriving kids of their social experiences. These are all things that I might say are bad and are signs of bad parenting.

So I'm with you. I'm hearing what you're saying loud and clear. I probably wouldn't use that language of bad parenting because it sounds accusatory. But we do all judge people's parents. I'm just saying Stephen A ain't the first nigga to judge somebody's parents.

We all do.

Yeah.

I don't think that's bad parenting. Even if I don't agree with the choice and I don't necessarily agree with the choice, I don't think it's bad parenting. I think if I'm going to defer to somebody's expertise, I'm going to defer to LeBron's. You know what I mean? He's one of the goats. Like, fuck it. Exactly. He deserves the opportunity to be wrong about it. I agree.

The season's over. I'm not going to go that far. I'm being an asshole. Yeah, no, no, no. That far. I'm just wishing the worst. On the Yankees? I want him to be healthy. I want the Yankees to lose. Got it. Why do you want the Yankees? It's just all New York teams, son, for you.

Yeah, that's it.

I hate doing all of them. Damn. I'll take the Yankees over the Mets, but I hate all of them. Okay.

Reverse card. That was low. Just saying. Just saying. I'm over it all. I want them to blow that whole team up at this point.

Okay, and... And the allegation was that the argument started because he broke up with her because she was cheating, right?

No way.

I mean, it's a better team, though. It's going to be tough.

Word. Don't get in the boat.

Well, kids are a job. Domestic labor is labor. I'm not saying that.

No, that's my boat. That's just the boat.

I'm a new father. That's all he says.

This is what I say. It cried out, which is a fight that parents have all the time. I've had that argument with my wife, too. You know what I mean? It's like, all right, come on. Cry it out, according to studies, doesn't work, right? Like, you're not supposed to cry it out. It also sends a message to kids that when they're emotionally vulnerable, no one's going to be there for them.

They will stop crying at some point, but the question is, what does it do to them long-term emotionally? Not at some point.

Whatever people's house, I don't judge people's house. For me, I still got up. I had to get up at 6 a.m., 7 a.m. I was in charge of the overnight shift. And still do phrase like that. Yo.

Yeah, no.

Yeah. Every situation is different.

Yeah. But I think having the conversation about the parenting is always going to be, there's one parent that wants to be tougher and there's one parent that wants to be lighter and you have to figure that out. It has to be a middle. Otherwise it's going to be, it's going to get ugly. You're going to start to resent it.

They're two, right, or three, or four, or one, or whatever.

No, you're right, though. I agree. My son is at a stage right now where he's whining a lot. He's a toddler, so he does toddler shit. And I find it so fucking annoying. When he turns his back, I'm like, shut the fuck up. Whenever he's not looking at me, because I'd be so frustrated. I'd be really frustrated. But he does this whining thing. And I suspect that if he were a girl,

It would still irritate the shit out of me because I hate whiners in general. In life, I hate whiners. But the fact that it's a boy, I know it. There's a part of me that is like, stop bitching. And I got to constantly work through that. And I don't say that to him, but I be thinking it sometimes. And I know it's like he's two. It's not gender.

It shouldn't be any of that, but I still have to work through that. And so that's some of the stuff you got to think about and, again, work through in yourself.

Them talks don't be had about parents be drugging the kids. I know people that do brandy, whiskey, all that shit. Yeah.

Yeah. Right on the gums.

Every fucking time, man. What was the subject? There's always something to do with race. They always ask me a race question, then I answer the race question. They go, why are you bringing up race? And then they all jump on me. Every fucking time.