Mark Mitchell

What's going on there?

Oh, probably a bit of both.

I mean, Tubman's very flamboyant at times when he comes out with his dress sense.

I remember Tony Ryle was the same when I came into Parliament, renowned for his mix and match shirts and ties.

Tony Ryle, there's a blast from the past, isn't there?

Tubman's picked up the bat, and he's run hard with it.

What's your score?

Well, she's still in Parliament until Thursday, so my score is 10 out of 10, of course.

She's a force of nature, and I've really enjoyed working with Judith.

Without a doubt, she was formidable, and she's got a reputation for

having treated her staff very well, and in my view, politicians and MPs should treat both their staff and their volunteers in an exemplary way, and she did that.

because they're really the ones that deliver and get things done.

So, no, no, I just think that she's had an outstanding political career, and I look forward to it.

She's not finished.

No, she's not.

She's still got a big contribution to make to the country.

Well, I just think Te Pāti Māori are a mess.

I don't think about what's happening in the internal machinations of Te Pāti Māori, but when you look at it...

They're deeply divided.

They're obviously not treating each other very well and yet fall out.