Mark Mitchell

So they're quite nice things to be able to attend.

I don't know, but he does make me laugh.

I think he says, E te maungai o te whare, which is just the speaker in Maori.

I know.

I think maybe it's a way of kind of like getting your breath right or just kind of feeling relaxed.

Maybe he's doing it for sort of those reasons.

But he does crack us up sometimes.

I'd say a solid six.

That's good maths.

No, actually, I worked for Judith when I worked in police and she was the Minister of Police.

And I have to say, she was a really fair minister to work for because the worst thing a minister can do is they throw officials under the bus when stuff goes wrong.

And that still happens.

But she was really good.

When things did go wrong, she stepped up and

And she sorted things out.

So I'll always respect you for that.

And I did the car crushing bill when it was my first job in police, when she was minister, that she determined she wanted to crush these cars and we had to figure out how we were going to do it.

And it was an interesting thing to be able to work on her with.

In general, none of those events are whipped in terms of having to be there, particularly if it's not from your own party.

But it's a showing of people who are there, who can be there.