Mark Moriarty

So where did the political inkling come from?

So it's almost like a therapy piece?

getting elected at 21 like the Ivan that sits in front of me now it strikes me would think maybe a little differently if someone came along at this age at 21 and say well what are you doing getting into this game what do you know about life

Sounds good as a chef.

Have your political views changed to the 21-year-olds that started off?

So how many politicians, there's so much in that I have to go back to, how many politicians actually care about what they're trying to do?

versus just manipulating people to get votes.

Where does that leave Ireland then if you're suggesting there the political establishment, probably not the best word, the political structure is becoming less and less relevant in the public's mind?

Oh no, it's very relevant.

You said a few minutes ago you mentioned mainstream media.

What's your definition of mainstream media?

I'll tell you now.

So what's the alternative?

If you're packaging up the mainstream media as you listed there, is there a viable alternative on the other side of the aisle that people can go to?

Oh, put it like this.

Uh...

A successful country.

The success we've had, though, obviously came from a certain level of political leadership.

Oh, totally, yeah.

So if you were to take the three most important elements of that leadership that made us successful, that need to be implemented now to avoid what you're describing in 2040, what are they going to be?