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Mark Moyar

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

This is not something he was hoping for.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But now he's confronted with this fact.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so besides, he needs to do something.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And here we hear him listening to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, who is really the architect of the war for both Kennedy and Johnson.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

What McNamara says is we need to convey a signal of our intent to the North Vietnamese.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And here he's drawing on academic theories about conflict, which are not based in history, which is really kind of remarkable to how influential these especially economists are.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But he buys into this theory that we'll use force to communicate.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so they undertake a very limited raid

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

on the North Vietnamese naval base nearby.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

Now, the North Vietnamese see this and they take away the very opposite message that the Americans are trying to send.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

They see Americans just did a little pinprick strike.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

That means they actually are not serious, because if you were serious, you'd hit them really hard.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

So this

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

leads them to believe that Johnson is going to throw in the towel on Vietnam or not make a big fuss.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And then in the election, Lyndon Johnson portrays himself as the peace candidate and says, I'm not going to send American boys to fight wars that Asian boys can fight.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so the North Vietnamese see this and they say, yeah, you know, South Vietnam is now ripe for the taking.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

It's in big trouble since this coup.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And now Lyndon Johnson is saying he's not going to send American troops.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

So

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Soon as Johnson wins the election in November of 64, the North Vietnamese launch an invasion with, for the first time, sending entire North Vietnamese Army divisions.