Mark Rober

You're not focused on the failures.

And that doesn't mean it doesn't sting, right?

On level 8-1, there's this huge pit you have to jump over and land on this tiny little platform.

It's really hard to do and you've made it all the way there and then you die and it stings, Mel.

It still hurts.

It's not this Pollyanna attitude of like, oh, well, everything's good.

Right.

It's very sad, even the sound.

But it stings.

You're immediately like, what did I learn?

Now I'm going to try this again because I now know one more way not to attempt that jump.

I think we overestimate the negative impact

on failure and underestimate our ability to handle it when we're imagining towards the future of this failure thing.

And I think it's a repetition thing.

Like I get that.

I hate public speaking and it's a goal of mine right now.

It's one of my super Mario level things I'm working on.

And what I'm finding is just the more reps I do it, the more times I do it, you do normalize to it.

So I think like I get that fear and I recognize that it is different when you're in front of other people.

But it's one of those things that just like, you just, it's exposure therapy and fail small in front of small groups of people.