Mark Rober

And then you can eventually fail bigger and bigger.

But even still, like, I will say this framework really does help.

You know, I'll have videos that will bomb and there'll be a 10 out of my last 10.

Like...

And it stings.

It's like falling in that pit.

But it's like, oh, you know what, though?

This kind of makes sense because we started a little differently and we did it this way.

And so immediately, just the way my brain works, and that's a big failure, Mel, in front of a lot of people.

And it stinks for a day.

But immediately, the way the framework works is I'm like, what did I learn from it?

And I call that thinking like an engineer.

Meaning like, you know, to get the rover on Mars, we tested so many things because you just don't know.

And no one, if you have a...

test that fails at NASA for a landing strut.

No one's like, oh, you're a failure.

It's like, oh, great.

Now we know the limits of what this thing can do.

So let's redesign it, right?

As an engineer, this is just how you think.