Mark Rober

Like if you are not failing, that's a problem, right?

Like you need to be testing the limits to understand, like if you're being so conservative on everything, you have no idea how much bigger and cooler this thing could be, right?

Each time you fail, you are learning something.

You're learning one more way not to do it.

So I think if they could approach it that way and find the positivity in the fail and the learning in the fail, then it gives it a purpose.

Trying it and then learning.

Yes.

And by the way, you shouldn't just nail it right out of the gate.

Like, I think that's what people expect, right?

Well, if I'm good at it, you don't expect that in a video game.

Why would you expect that in life?

Like you learn a lot more in failure sometimes, especially with kids than just by succeeding at a thing.

I would say start small and make your goal to fail.

I just went through this myself, Mel, where it's like I like to play chess occasionally.

And I found like I wasn't playing chess because I felt like if I lost, somehow I would internalize it, something about me.

This is like playing online.

And I'm like, what am I doing?

So I made a goal that I want to lose 10 games.

This was my goal.

Oh, really?