Mark Rutte

He dodged questions about that, simply saying it would be an infinite deal.

That issue did not come up anymore in my conversations tonight, Mr. President.

He very much focused on what do we need to do to make sure that that huge Arctic region, where change is taking place at the moment, where the Chinese and Russians are more and more active, how we can protect that.

That was really the focus of our discussions.

We knew the story of the international rules-based order was partially false.

That the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient.

That trade rules were enforced asymmetrically.

And we knew that international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity of the accused or the victim.

This fiction was useful, and American hegemony in particular helped provide public goods.

This bargain no longer works.

Let me be direct.

We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.

It feels strange.

Thank you.

Yes, well, on that question, and it is a little bit, I think, repeating my previous reaction, but thank you very much for that important question.

And I think what is at core here and to the core of this question is that we all make that same analysis.

And there is no debate or discussion about that.

The analysis is sound and is there that when it comes to the high north, the Arctic region, I was myself visiting Iceland only, I think, six or eight weeks ago.

And we also extensively discussed this.

And I was in