Mark Rutte

But both are true. He did roll his tanks into Ukraine. Why couldn't he roll his tanks into the United Kingdom? Yeah, not a NATO member state. But at the same time, if NATO is not in four or five years able to keep up the deterrence, which is necessary to make sure that Putin will not do that, why would he not roll his tanks into Poland or...

But both are true. He did roll his tanks into Ukraine. Why couldn't he roll his tanks into the United Kingdom? Yeah, not a NATO member state. But at the same time, if NATO is not in four or five years able to keep up the deterrence, which is necessary to make sure that Putin will not do that, why would he not roll his tanks into Poland or...

fly out his missiles to the United Kingdom or to The Hague. So there is a risk. And you are right also that already at this moment we are faced with, and I hate this word hybrid, but when you look at cyber attacks, look what happened in the UK with assassination attempts in Salisbury.

fly out his missiles to the United Kingdom or to The Hague. So there is a risk. And you are right also that already at this moment we are faced with, and I hate this word hybrid, but when you look at cyber attacks, look what happened in the UK with assassination attempts in Salisbury.

When you look at sabotage, what he is doing with jamming in the Baltics of commercial flights, it is presenting a big risk. So that's happening already.

When you look at sabotage, what he is doing with jamming in the Baltics of commercial flights, it is presenting a big risk. So that's happening already.