Mark Siljander
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279 appearances
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard Mar 2025
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Like if I want to forge an accord with you, the first thing I should at least do is try to figure out who I'm dealing with. And I'm not going to manage that at all until I listen a lot. And that's got to be way before I decide how we're going to proceed because I don't understand at all how I could even possibly proceed with you unless I knew
Who you were, what you valued, what you would conceptualize as peace, you know, whether that was your goal. And if not, why not? That requires an awful lot of listening. Okay, so that love you said, one of the attributes.
So there's several, you know, I say there are seven to embrace and seven answers. aspects to avoid. One of the things to avoid is not to shame or dishonor someone. Do not. Yeah, that's a good idea. Do not push an agenda. Do not keep a record of wrongs that, oh, Mr. President, you armed the Janjaweed in western Sudan and Darfur, and you are massacring the African Muslims. These are Arab Muslims.
There's a difference culturally in one part of western Sudan called Darfur. And there are two and a half million people displaced. Nearly a million people have been killed. Tens of thousands of women brutally raped. That would be an elephant in the room, wouldn't you say? And every single western person that came to see him What do you think the first thing they did, shame, disgrace?
I'm not saying that he didn't deserve it. I'm just saying that love says you don't push that.
Well, it's also, there's moral hazard in there too, you know, because, well, it has something to do with the problem of seeing the moat in your neighbor's eye when you're not too concerned about the beam in your own. It's like it might be the case that there is a litany of sins to be laid at your feet, but it isn't necessarily obvious that me, personally, I'm the one to do it.
I could be concerned about the errors I made. That might be a better... Focus of my attention if I'm trying to understand you and make peace, you know, and you could imagine that in any geopolitical discussion, there's going to be egregious sins that could be discussed on both on both on behalf of both participants, especially if you extend the historical timeframe, because no one's going to.
enter the room with a complete man of innocence if you go back like 300 years.
You are so right. We went with congressional delegations to countries, especially communist countries, and we'd outline, Jordan, issues that we had with their sins.
Yeah.
And then they would outline what we have done. Well, you're hypocrites.
Yeah.
And they weren't wrong all the time.
Yeah, right.
I'm not saying America's horrible, but we do have, if you look back in our history with slavery.
There's a few skeletons.
Yes, a few skeletons in Europe with all their expansionism. There's definitely skeletons. So why be diverted with arguing who's righteous and who isn't?
Well, that's also not the point of a discussion about peace. If the discussion is about peace, the search is for the pathway to peace. The search isn't for the longest litany of previous wrongs that can be laid at the other person's feet. Obviously, that doesn't even work with your wife, let's say. It certainly doesn't.
No, no, you enter the argument with an arm's length list of all the transgressions of the past. That's exactly what you see happening with couples who are on the precipice of divorce. They can't bring any issue up without all the unresolved issues immediately, all the unresolved demons immediately entering the fray and complicating things beyond belief, right?
So you enter the- So we're sitting, think of this.
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