Mark Watson

We've won three in 10.

Says that 70% of the time we don't win a rugby World Cup.

Yeah, but Jamie's point here is that we are... And somehow think it's going to all work out.

What I have said, in the short term, there absolutely won't be a lot of players that will be necessarily putting their hand up.

He's obviously talked about Retallick.

Retallick doesn't want to spend 50 days in hotels.

I heard that aspect of it.

He's gone.

You keep saying Aaron Smith, but if Aaron Smith was offered the opportunity to go to South Africa...

You're telling me we're not a better team if we've got Richie Mwanga in South Africa.

I think that potentially you could even look long term at guys like Jack Goodyear over there.

We're lacking a good quality centre at the moment.

You've got Shannon Frizzell, who potentially we could have been using in the last couple of years.

But also it's about long term as well.

We are going to see more and more players.

no but in the years in previous years he should have been available for us you cannot tell me benefits new zealand rugby it is absolutely utter nonsense it works for south african rugby why shouldn't i'll ask you this then jamie why shouldn't we pick players from overseas what are we what are we giving up by picking them and allowing players to go overseas what are we giving up

So I want to move on.

But, Mark, I just want to say this.

It's like you're not just going to see everyone go.

They've got no market value until they establish themselves here.