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Mark Zuckerberg

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

The reason why we're building our own big models is because we want to be able to like build exactly what we want, right?

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And none of the other models in the world are sort of exactly what we want.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

If they're open source, then you can take them

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And you can fine tune them in different ways, but you still have to deal with the model architectures.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And, you know, they make different size trade-offs around that affect the latency and inference cost of the models.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And it's like, okay, the scale that we operate at, that stuff really matters.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

Like we made...

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

the llama scout and maverick models certain sizes for a specific reason because they fit on a host and we wanted certain latency especially for the voice models that were that we're working on that we want to just basically have purveyed and and be across everything that we're doing from the glasses to all of our apps to the meta ai app and and all this stuff so um

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

So I think that there's a level of kind of control of your own destiny that you only get when you build the stuff yourself.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

That said, there are a lot of things that like AI is going to be used in every single thing that every company does.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

When we build a big model, we also need to choose which things, which use cases internally we're going to optimize for.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

So does that mean that for certain things, we're not going to think that like,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

okay, maybe Claude is better for building this specific development tool that this team is using.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

All right, cool, then use that, fine, great.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I don't think, we don't wanna fight with one hand tied behind our back.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

We're doing a lot of different stuff.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

You also asked would we maybe, would it not be important because other people are doing open source?

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I don't know, on this, I'm a little more worried because I think you have to ask

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

For anyone who shows up now and is doing open source now that we have done it, there's a question which is, would they still be doing open source if we weren't doing it?

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And I think that there are a handful of folks who see the trend that more and more development is going towards open source.