Marty Baron

So I don't want to discredit everybody who's in new media because they don't deserve to be discredited because many of them are quite good. But there are a lot of bad actors and spreading crazy conspiracy theories and a lot of hate. And that is the nature of the internet these days.

So I don't want to discredit everybody who's in new media because they don't deserve to be discredited because many of them are quite good. But there are a lot of bad actors and spreading crazy conspiracy theories and a lot of hate. And that is the nature of the internet these days.

So I don't want to discredit everybody who's in new media because they don't deserve to be discredited because many of them are quite good. But there are a lot of bad actors and spreading crazy conspiracy theories and a lot of hate. And that is the nature of the internet these days.

is that it allows for that because it's a highly fragmented market and people are going to exploit that fragmented market for their own personal, professional, political, or commercial gain. And that's exactly what's happening. I would say, however, that traditional media is not irrelevant, as is often claimed by

is that it allows for that because it's a highly fragmented market and people are going to exploit that fragmented market for their own personal, professional, political, or commercial gain. And that's exactly what's happening. I would say, however, that traditional media is not irrelevant, as is often claimed by

is that it allows for that because it's a highly fragmented market and people are going to exploit that fragmented market for their own personal, professional, political, or commercial gain. And that's exactly what's happening. I would say, however, that traditional media is not irrelevant, as is often claimed by

people in that new media field by a lot of our politicians today, including, you know, Trump and Musk and, you know, whoever. And the reality is that we remain irrelevant. There is a reason why Trump is completely obsessed with traditional media. He would not be obsessed with traditional media if it were irrelevant. That would be insane.

people in that new media field by a lot of our politicians today, including, you know, Trump and Musk and, you know, whoever. And the reality is that we remain irrelevant. There is a reason why Trump is completely obsessed with traditional media. He would not be obsessed with traditional media if it were irrelevant. That would be insane.

people in that new media field by a lot of our politicians today, including, you know, Trump and Musk and, you know, whoever. And the reality is that we remain irrelevant. There is a reason why Trump is completely obsessed with traditional media. He would not be obsessed with traditional media if it were irrelevant. That would be insane.

And by the way, when Elon Musk stepped out of his, just recently stepped away from the White House, Who did he give interviews to, amazingly? Traditional media, the very media that he had denigrated all along.

And by the way, when Elon Musk stepped out of his, just recently stepped away from the White House, Who did he give interviews to, amazingly? Traditional media, the very media that he had denigrated all along.

And by the way, when Elon Musk stepped out of his, just recently stepped away from the White House, Who did he give interviews to, amazingly? Traditional media, the very media that he had denigrated all along.

Yeah, it's media. I mean, I think it is media. Media writ large? Absolutely. People who are on TikTok are having an enormous impact. I mean, people are forming their opinions of what's happening, let's say, in the Middle East based on a 15-second TikTok. They think they know everything based on the 15 seconds that they saw on TikTok.

Yeah, it's media. I mean, I think it is media. Media writ large? Absolutely. People who are on TikTok are having an enormous impact. I mean, people are forming their opinions of what's happening, let's say, in the Middle East based on a 15-second TikTok. They think they know everything based on the 15 seconds that they saw on TikTok.

Yeah, it's media. I mean, I think it is media. Media writ large? Absolutely. People who are on TikTok are having an enormous impact. I mean, people are forming their opinions of what's happening, let's say, in the Middle East based on a 15-second TikTok. They think they know everything based on the 15 seconds that they saw on TikTok.

Now, that is appalling, of course, anytime you're dealing with a complex environment. subject like the Middle East, which has centuries of history behind it. You don't want to think that you've absorbed everything you need to know based on something you saw in 15 seconds on TikTok. But there's no question that's media. That is how people are receiving their information, like it or not.

Now, that is appalling, of course, anytime you're dealing with a complex environment. subject like the Middle East, which has centuries of history behind it. You don't want to think that you've absorbed everything you need to know based on something you saw in 15 seconds on TikTok. But there's no question that's media. That is how people are receiving their information, like it or not.

Now, that is appalling, of course, anytime you're dealing with a complex environment. subject like the Middle East, which has centuries of history behind it. You don't want to think that you've absorbed everything you need to know based on something you saw in 15 seconds on TikTok. But there's no question that's media. That is how people are receiving their information, like it or not.

Well, look, one of the biggest challenges today, a huge challenge and problem for us is that we can't agree on a common set of facts. We can't even agree on how to determine what a fact is. All of the things that we've used in the past, education, experience, expertise, and actual evidence have all been discredited and not discredited, but denied and dismissed and denigrated.

Well, look, one of the biggest challenges today, a huge challenge and problem for us is that we can't agree on a common set of facts. We can't even agree on how to determine what a fact is. All of the things that we've used in the past, education, experience, expertise, and actual evidence have all been discredited and not discredited, but denied and dismissed and denigrated.