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Because that's two different intentions, bro.

Absolutely.

And that's two different levels of trust.

I want you to just really be a good person.

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Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.

So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

Thank you for finishing that sentence.

Yes.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really?

Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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