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Masha Gessen

👤 Speaker
332 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

There always seems to me to be here an assertion, not just about...

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

international institutions, or nations, but also about human beings.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

When I listen to MAGA and Trump and then its theorists and its followers, I hear something being said about this idea that we have restrained the

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

animal, masculine, dominance-oriented, conquest-oriented instincts that on some level made humanity great that, you know, in the Elon Musk version that will get us to Mars in the future and tied them up.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

in hollow liberal values and self-restraints and debate and discussion and deliberation and rules and procedures.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

And there's something being said that is operating really at all levels.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

The way America is acting under Trump is the way America should act, the way a superpower should act.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

That is what it means to be a superpower.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

It is to be unrestrained.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

But the way Trump acts is also the way a man should act.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

I don't always hear them saying that everybody else is lying.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

I hear them saying almost something different, like their idea of like the woke mind virus, that something has happened, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

And an ideology has taken over that is poisoning ambition and aggression and a set of forces, a kind of vitality that is what drove civilization forward.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

A weakness virus.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

That's a better way to put it.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

I want to play for you a clip of Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense, talking about at least one of the ways in which he wanted to change the culture of the U.S.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

military.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

He goes on to launch an attack on beards also in that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

There is a real obsession with aesthetics across this administration.

The Ezra Klein Show
Venezuela, Renee Good and Trump’s ‘Assault on Hope’

Who it appoints and then what they want from the people beneath them.