Masha Gessen

It has gone up from his first term, that it kind of crowds everything else out.

Tell me a bit about that dimension of

Using attentional capture as a tool.

I agree with this.

Well, they themselves are also distracted, which I think is an important point.

They don't have some intentional reserve nobody else has.

They are running from one thing to another, not watching how the last thing worked out, which does create problems for them.

I mean, there is—distraction becomes everybody's condition, and it is Trump's fundamental condition as a human being.

He cannot hold a topic for a paragraph.

He is distracted.

Well, I mean, it happened really just days ago still, and already today...

There is a different spectacle that I'm almost having trouble having this conversation because the thing I am thinking about is the public execution of Renee Good in Minnesota.

And it's a little unclear what happened.

Their car was in the middle of the street and then you watch the federal agents rush the car and she begins executing like a multi-point turn to try to leave.

And then an agent shoots her dead in the middle of the street.

And the Trump administration is saying she was trying to run them over, and you can very easily see that she was not trying to run everybody over.

She was parked first.

They run at her, and she tries to leave.

And not even speed out, just leave.

And it is a spectacle of its own.