Matt Bernstein

Let's listen.

It really is so surreal the way this attorney is talking to like this extremely consequential adult man like he's like a little baby.

It's like, well, did you write that?

Did Chat GBT write that?

So we know DEI really just means anything relating to the lived experience of minorities.

But does Justin know that?

Can he tell us what a minority is?

Let's listen.

The new right.

Yeah, I do come from a principled place of like people can always grow and change.

And if we don't believe that, then like, what's the point?

Like, why am I doing any of this?

I would argue that you might be giving him too much credit.

I think his discomfort probably comes from this is the first time he's probably in his entire life ever been

tasked with like any level of accountability for anything you know we'll hear from from nate kavanaugh next and he certainly very openly feels no remorse and actually feels politically like things haven't gone far enough i think the cultural element that you're identifying here is right i think a lot about that i can't remember if it was the cover of like new york magazine or the new yorker or one of those but it was like it was right on like the eve of uh of donald trump's second inauguration and it was like uh what was it called the cruel kids table

Yes, we made a podcast episode about that at the time.

I think it's called How Conservatives Infiltrated Pop Culture.

And it really felt 18 or so months ago, right when Trump won the election in 2024, there was this moment of like, it's so cool.

to be on this like young new right of course we had a bit fruity never thought that but like it was an ascendant moment in american culture for like young white people to very openly be like i'm reclaiming my place at the top of the hierarchy and like i'm gonna wear the sheen dress and like go to this party on capitol hill that's like sponsored by like fucking barry weiss or someone and i'm gonna post on instagram about how like america's back baby that moment in culture lasted like all of 45 minutes

Anything truly.