Matt Bernstein

Yeah, yes.

In an effort to, like, genuinely try to understand how someone could think like this, I mean, how can you acknowledge outright we didn't accomplish our goals, we didn't do anything substantively good for anyone, and we only hurt people and I have no regrets?

Like...

I feel like I genuinely it feels sociopathic.

I just don't.

I don't know if you have insight into people who are true believers like this, who really have no shame, like on a real level.

Like, how do you become like a comic book villain?

Crystal, there were, as you just said, cuts across all different agencies, many of which are and will be responsible for.

for mass death.

And there was all sorts of rewiring of how money was spent as a result of these cuts.

A lot of the money did continue getting spent.

It was not just cut.

It was just redirected.

And in the context of the National Endowment for the Humanities, which we focused on today because that is the basis for this lawsuit, that is why these people are being deposed.

I hope we get depositions from the kids who were responsible for cutting USAID and all of the science programs as well.

But with regard to NEH, do you know specifically where much of the funds saved from slashing these grants are now supposed to go to?

The National Garden of American Heroes.

Do you know what that is?

Basically, ever since 2020 with like the George Floyd protests and then the subsequent like a lot of left wing activists calling for statues to be torn down of people like Christopher Columbus.

Confederate leaders, people like that, you know, right wing racists.