Matt Bernstein

It's also around this time that she starts blaming Jews for everything in eerily similar ways that very early on, she blamed Zoe Quinn and the Gamergate victims for leading a secret war against her in the social autopsy days.

That's one of the really interesting aspects of the exercise we do on this podcast is like going back and finding these moments where you're like, oh, yeah, like you...

don't understand how power works.

And you're very willing to like ascribe crazy conspiracy theories to anything that like, I don't know, satiates your feelings of persecution and hatred of minorities, I think.

This is what drives me crazy about right-wing Zionists like Ben Shapiro.

I mean, I think Zionists in general are right-wing, and I've made that case on this podcast before, but people who explicitly align themselves with the right, with Trump, with MAGA, with fascism, but then they think that their interests in the nation state of Israel, which is like a geostrategic military outpost for the US, they think that is going to also serve their interests

As Jews.

And like you said, I mean, white Christian nationalists, they will come after every other minority.

Eventually, they're going to come for you too.

And a lot of people ask me, especially like other Jews with Zionist families who are struggling with how to talk to them and who...

I get it.

Like I've had to have conversations within my family of especially older Jews who have existed for decades and decades and decades with this idea that the only thing that can keep Jews safe is the state of Israel.

We've seen demonstrably how Israel is endangering Jews globally.

But then they ask, like, what do I tell my parents when they ask, like, how do I convince them of this?

And what is it that keeps Jews safe?

And the answer is what keeps Jews safe is what keeps every other group of minorities safe, which is a respect for other human beings in a political sense, which is political equality, which is a recognition of multiculturalism and everybody's ability to practice their religion, to exist in their body, to love who they love.

Like,

Equal rights and the enshrining of equal rights into law and making that the norm in society, that's what keeps Jews safe the way that it keeps every other minority group safe.

And when you refuse to recognize that, you find yourself in the position of Ben Shapiro firing Candace Owens for hating Jews.

Well, yeah, I mean, both of you agree that every other minority is a reasonable target.