Matt Bernstein

So, you know, as much as people like Candace and a lot of the people that I've covered on this podcast love to like ascribe like momentum to what they're doing on behalf of like the minority groups that they belong to.

It is ultimately at the end of the day, mostly for like a heterosexual, cisgender, white male audience.

Yes.

Do you want to jump ahead to Turning Point USA?

Because I'm down if you're down.

I don't really often say those words in that order, but you know.

So naturally in 2017, amid allegations of racism at Turning Point USA, I can't imagine why Turning Point USA would end up being a racist workplace, but it's neither here nor there, to

Charlie Kirk hires Candace Owens to become the organization's director of urban engagement.

It does.

And it's interesting because at this point, Candace, who one of the very good things and one of the few good things that I would say about Candace Owens is that she is an incredible talent on camera.

But at this point, she's still not doing on camera work.

She is essentially like in the corporate ladder at Turning Point USA.

She works there for two years.

And while there, she really blossoms into a public figure.

She is recognized by Donald Trump.

who calls her a great thinker.

And this is crazy.

I mean, Candace went from catstagramming from like some shitty New York City apartment that we've like we've all been there to being recognized by the president of the United States in like a year.

And in 2018, the following year, Kanye West tweets, quote, I love the way Candace Owens thinks.

Put yourself in her shoes.