Matt Clifford

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Radical · The Best of Radical with Amol Rajan · 16 Jul 2026 podcast

This is, I think, one of the hardest arguments to have because it is...

totally understandable why people want the burden of proof to be on people who are less worried about the jobs apocalypse.

But of course, the way I always think about this is I'm the eldest of four.

I think all four of us,

You know, I think often about my conversations around the dinner table with my parents being like, what are you going to do when we grow up?

I think all four of us are doing jobs that either didn't exist or would have been totally inconceivable to us, you know, in the late 90s.

I really feel old when I say that.

And so it's like...

In some ways, yeah, I get the impulse to want to be like, what is the job that is there?

But I think the burden of proof is on, you know, if we look at the history of productivity increasing technologies, they've been very, very good for humans.

I would argue that nearly everything that's good that's happened to our species has come from productivity improving technologies.

Yeah.

And I also think...

So there's lots of things wrong with this analogy, but I think it is worth dwelling on for a moment is to think about what can we learn from the very first jobs that got completely dominated by AI?

And it's a sort of niche one, but I think it's an important one, which is chess.

So in 1997, as is well known, Gary Kasparov, Deep Blue.

And so, you know, if we were having this debate then with the same sort of set of assumptions, I think it would have been very tempting to say, well, now we know that

You know, computers can completely dominate humans in chess.

Chess is going to shrink.

There will be no role for humans.

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