Matt Flegenheimer

And White proceeds to give a speech that is not surprising to anybody who's listened to him or Trump talk about these recent years. It's heavy on the sort of expert consensus being wrong.

And White proceeds to give a speech that is not surprising to anybody who's listened to him or Trump talk about these recent years. It's heavy on the sort of expert consensus being wrong.

And he shouts out these figures.

And he shouts out these figures.

From this universe he sort of presides over in some ways.

From this universe he sort of presides over in some ways.

Absolutely. I think both of them have learned that lesson time and again in their public lives, that expert consensus is often nonsense, that their instincts are to be trusted. What you've seen, I think, from both of them is a sort of recognition that they can be their purest, basest selves, and that that would be rewarded.

Absolutely. I think both of them have learned that lesson time and again in their public lives, that expert consensus is often nonsense, that their instincts are to be trusted. What you've seen, I think, from both of them is a sort of recognition that they can be their purest, basest selves, and that that would be rewarded.

I think White and Trump both saw around the corner here about what the UFC could become and the cultural and political space that it has become. And there's no reason to think now that it will be any less important. It'll probably be even more important. And the way that the two of them see the world mean that their worldview will matter quite a bit.

I think White and Trump both saw around the corner here about what the UFC could become and the cultural and political space that it has become. And there's no reason to think now that it will be any less important. It'll probably be even more important. And the way that the two of them see the world mean that their worldview will matter quite a bit.

And White has really articulated his worldview quite clearly. To quote him, America has become so soft. If you have even this much savage in you, everything out there right now is for the taking.

And White has really articulated his worldview quite clearly. To quote him, America has become so soft. If you have even this much savage in you, everything out there right now is for the taking.

There's a reason they're friends.

There's a reason they're friends.

Matt, thank you. Thank you, Sabrina.

Matt, thank you. Thank you, Sabrina.