Dana White, Donald Trump and the Rise of Cage-Match Politics

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Sabrina Tavernisi 0:01
Hey, it's Sabrina. Before we get started, a few details about a major developing story that's still being pieced together. According to investigators, in the early hours of Wednesday morning, an armed man driving a rented pickup truck deliberately plowed into a crowd celebrating New Year's Eve in New Orleans, killing at least 15 people and injuring dozens more. In a short speech last night, President Biden said that the driver, a U.S. Army veteran who died during the attack, had been inspired by the Islamic State and had expressed a clear desire to kill. Investigators said that they are still trying to determine whether he had acted alone or had any help from individuals or a group. These are the key facts we know for now.
Sabrina Tavernisi 0:47
We'll be following developments over the next few hours and we'll bring them to you as soon as we can. Okay, here's today's show.
Olivia Nat 0:56
This is Daily Producer Olivia Nat. I am in Las Vegas outside an arena where tonight there is going to be a UFC championship fight. I am notoriously squeamish, so I'm really excited to talk to people about why they like this sport, why they're here tonight, and I'm going to go talk to some of them. It is a microphone. Do you have a couple of minutes to answer some questions?
Sabrina Tavernisi 1:24
Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, let's get some questions going. Let's get some questions going.
Olivia Nat 1:29
Why are you guys here tonight? What do you like about watching fights?
UFC Fan 1 1:32
The combat is... I love it. Like you never know, it's two men in a cage. It's man versus man. Beast versus beast.
UFC Fan 2 1:42
I really enjoy the special moments where people get knocked out.
Olivia Nat 1:46
It's live action. It lets you know who you are. I've never been to a fight before. What should I expect tonight?
UFC Fan 3 1:52
You're going to go? Nice.
UFC Fan 1 1:53
I expect somebody's going to get knocked out, choked out. You know, anything can happen in this octagon. You will enjoy this, I promise you. You will enjoy this.
Sabrina Tavernisi 2:07
From the New York Times, I'm Sabrina Tavernisi, and this is The Daily.
Olivia Nat 2:13
All right, I'm walking over to the Octagon, and it sounds like the first fights have just kicked off.
UFC Fan 4 2:21
Kick it, fucking kick it!
Sabrina Tavernisi 2:33
Over the past five years, one sports league has gained popularity faster than any other. The Ultimate Fighting Championship, or UFC. Today, my colleague Matt Flegenheimer on the man behind the league and how his longtime friendship with Donald Trump has transformed what was once a fringe sport into a cultural and political powerhouse. It's Thursday, January 2nd. Matt Flegenheimer.
Matt Flegenheimer 3:13
Sabrina Tavernese.
Sabrina Tavernisi 3:14
Welcome to the show.
Matt Flegenheimer 3:16
Thank you so much for having me.
Sabrina Tavernisi 3:18
So Matt, we're going to talk today about UFC, but I have something to admit to you. By all means. I've actually never watched it. So let's start with the basics, Matt. Tell us what the UFC is.
Matt Flegenheimer 3:32
Sure. UFC stands for Ultimate Fighting Championship. It's the sort of primary promotion associated with mixed martial arts. It is a cage fighting enterprise which combines elements of kickboxing, wrestling, jiu-jitsu into this kind of very painful medley of activities in what they call the octagon, this eight-sided cage where two fighters convene and beat each other up over a course of rounds.
Sabrina Tavernisi 3:56
Okay, that probably explains why I've never heard of it.
Matt Flegenheimer 3:59
It also has been one of the fastest growing sports. Huge audience internationally. Was acquired for $4 billion in 2016. Has only grown since, not just in the sports world, but culturally and politically as well. And really has a kind of crowning moment in November.
Sabrina Tavernisi 4:15
And what happens in November?
Matt Flegenheimer 4:17
So, President-elect Trump, really fresh off his election win, attends a fight at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Trump is sort of waiting in the wings with his entourage and walks out almost as if he is the fighter. President and CEO of the UFC, Dana White is to his left. Elon Musk is with him. Mike Johnson is with him.
UFC Fan 4 4:51
Robert Kennedy alongside.
Matt Flegenheimer 4:54
various cabinet members to be if he has his way.
UFC Fan 4 4:56
It's so loud in here.
UFC Fan 5 4:58
It is so loud.
Matt Flegenheimer 5:00
And the crowd just loses its mind.
UFC Fan 5 5:02
It's always loud when he comes here, but now that he's won, now that he's the president again, oh, my God.

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