Matt Fradd

But to attack people like, as he says, a 12-year-old screaming into the Xbox headset is not at all what we're called to do.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I think it's kind of like authority, right?

Like the man who has authority and knows he has it, he doesn't get worked up.

Exactly.

And he can speak forcefully, but he doesn't kind of get shrill.

It's like the times in my own life when I've got shrill or have acted out of emotion, even when that emotion was like anger, it's precisely because I don't think I have authority or I'm afraid I don't have the authority I wish I had.

And so I think that's right.

I mean, you just look at those old William Lane Craig debates.

The way he would turn...

Hitchens into a pretzel.

Just so calm, and he's like, I know exactly what I'm saying, and I know exactly what you don't know, and I'm going to show you.

Exactly, yeah.

God bless Craig, hey?

I mean, I know it's like a human thing to...

follow someone for a while until you kind of get over them and then you start getting critical of them.

But he did so much for Christian apologetics.

Oh, absolutely.

All of us guys were listening to him.